[–] letsdothis1 1 points 19 points (+20|-1) ago 

WHAT ABOUT HAVING A RULE ABOUT MUTUAL RESPECT BETWEEN MODERATORS AND THE PEOPLE WHO DO A LOT OF HEAVY LIFTING IN TERMS OF RESEARCH ??

[–] twistedmac11 1 points 11 points (+12|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Exactly. Notice the complete change in @Crensch's attitude, too, vs on this thread https://voat.co/v/pizzagatemods/2394295/11912248

Is some respect too much to ask for?

[–] 11926926 1 points 8 points (+9|-1) ago  (edited ago)

He acts like a spook to me, he argues the exact same way as they do. They all go right into demeaning people from the start, they always have other sockpuppets to rate them up and suck their dicks.

[–] ESOTERICshade 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Is some respect too much to ask for?

Consider the source:

https://files.catbox.moe/i4eaxj.PNG

https://files.catbox.moe/avioih.PNG

[–] 11926920 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Are you kidding? That will never happen here.

[–] MemberOfThePublic 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

We can't just give up hope like that. That's what they want.

[–] Scirel 3 points 6 points (+9|-3) ago 

Yeah, that's actually a great idea. Anyone who has been here a number of months and has 1K or 2K voats has clearly been in the game and takes this investigation seriously. Perhaps the mods need to agree to give a little slack to such folks even if they (we) are a little snarly sometimes. So 1. and 2., but look at the poster and give a nod towards a slide to those who clearly take this seriously.

The biggest factor for me is that I think we are doing the groundwork investigation for people who will eventually do the dangerous work of arresting a bunch of these criminals. As investigations go, some leads are dead ends and some seem crazy at first but yield very fecund results. I would hate to see something get deleted that may prove to be the latter.

And yes, MF has ticked me off sometimes, but I don't think he has been overtly unfair to me. And my guess is he doesn't really care for me. But that's okay in the end because his Sticky is obviously excellent and his deletions were always rule 1 and probably for stuff that was on the edge anyways, so he helps me think twice about posting. But clearly he is on the side of the kids and wants to see justice for them.

But all that being said, I can understand that being a mod is a tough job, and somewhat thankless. I appreciate the efforts y'all put forth, and I honestly believe you are the good guys and want to see justice done on these enemies of humanity. As always, it will be the volunteers that change the world for the better.

[–] ESOTERICshade 1 points 10 points (+11|-1) ago  (edited ago)

7 - Try no rules and no moderation for a couple of weeks

And this is a setup. You talked about this in the thread I linked to.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagatemods/2394295


This is the old "order out of chaos" trick. You know full well that if this sub goes two weeks with no rules and no moderation that it will be total chaos and that is obvious. After two weeks of chaos you will come in and say "see, esotericshade and all the assholes are wrong, you need us."

You will create a problem and then pretend to fix it. Nobody is dumb enough to fall for this trick.

[–] kevdude 5 points 2 points (+7|-5) ago  (edited ago)

That was not my intention in making the suggestion.

I am aware that the place will be attacked but I am interested in seeing how it gets attacked. Rules should address actual problems. The current rules were based on the way the sub was attacked a year ago. Maybe the methods will change. Meaning that maybe there are rules in the sidebar that have run their course and could be replaced with different rules.

[–] ESOTERICshade 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Meaning that maybe there are rules in the sidebar that have run their course and could be replaced with different rules.

I think the rules are OK. I think Falcon is not up to the task of making them work.

[–] letsdothis1 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

You going to watch it get attacked or are you going to take part in that too?

[–] think- 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

but I am interested in seeing how it gets attacked

If the sub would be left for two weeks without mods, many people might get frustrated by shill posts and leave. Currently, many are burned out and about to leave for good.

@Vindicator

[–] MemberOfThePublic 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I pick 7 and think we should invest in prayer to keep the board running smoothly.

[–] Womb_Raider 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

SBBH does nothing but destroy. You're finally catching on.

[–] Crensch [S] 3 points -1 points (+2|-3) ago 

And this is a setup. You talked about this in the thread I linked to. This is the old "order out of chaos" trick. You know full well that if this sub goes two weeks with no rules and no moderation that it will be total chaos and that is obvious. After two weeks of chaos you will come in and say "see, esotericshade and all the assholes are wrong, you need us."

The users have that option. It's not a trick. I have no dog in this fight either way. If they want 2 weeks off, I'll take 2 weeks off. If they don't, well, I keep my game face on.

[–] ESOTERICshade 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

If they want 2 weeks off, I'll take 2 weeks off.

Kill all the modding and then troll this place all to hell so you can save the day. We are not stupid.

[–] ESOTERICshade 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I have no dog in this fight either way.

That is the biggest problem this sub has, right there, you don't give a fuck.

[–] 11927012 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Take a year off, at least.

[–] Gothamgirl 1 points 9 points (+10|-1) ago  (edited ago)

I am thankful for all of you, we are rare, and the kids need us. If I could do anything to help out, from a phone let me know.

[–] StcharlesSeminary 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

I don't understand why my friends posted about tunnels at St. Charles Seminary, for me, as I am unable to do so, and it was deleted more than once. I had some solid information there? It is about as "Pizzagate" as it gets?

Also, I am not well, probably from my abuse and it is exhausting for me to re-post these things

Thank you

[–] 11931211 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I was upset when I saw it deleted as well. I'm sorry to see that. <3

[–] ASolo 1 points 8 points (+9|-1) ago 

4A: 4 -A Mods are is not doing a good job, we need to talk about removing them him.

This discussion is about FALCON, not other mods, why is there not an option for this, looks deliberate, like your fucking with us.

[–] ESOTERICshade 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

This discussion is about FALCON, not other mods, why is there not an option for this, looks deliberate, like your fucking with us.

Reckon?....this post was a setup from the beginning.

[–] ASolo 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Looking like it, especially with all the weirdness going on here lately.

Happens everywhere you go with these internet retards, they ingratiate you on to their site and then turn on you when you think you're comfortable. I used to think back in the day that it was a brilliant spook tactic. But then I realized that the ambient mk programming in society is so latent in these younger generations there is no need for specific agents any longer, those narcissistic tendencies from persistent isolation and loneliness drives them to the instant gratification of emasculating those they believe they have power over. The reason it persists and only worsens with these people instead of compromise is because that instant gratification is so short in duration they need a continual fix of power and control.

[–] think- 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago  (edited ago)

@heygeorge suggested to crosspost my comment from Crench's previous thread in v/pizzagatemods, so here it is:

I don't think the rules are a problem in general.

The only thing I'd like to be changed is that OPs should be granted some time to fix a post, instead of deleting a post and require reposting.

Reason for this:

Often posts already have many comments when a mod deletes and asks to fix and repost.

Comments won't show on a repost, and discussions get interrupted by requiring to repost, even if it's a minor issue that needs to be fixed.

I'd suggest to give OPs 30 minutes or so to fix, shouldn't they do so, delete and ask to repost.

This, of course, depends on whether the mods have the time to look at a post again in the given time period, I'm aware of this.

[–] ESOTERICshade 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

That is a good suggestion think-, a real good one, but the problem is the board owners and the lead mod. Until that changes, nothing will change.

[–] 11927000 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I don't get it puttitout seems like a good guy from what I've seen. He's polar opposite to many here.

[–] Crensch [S] 5 points -2 points (+3|-5) ago  (edited ago)

I'm not opposed to such a thing. More demand on the mods, but if that's what the users agree on, we can find a way to make it work.

Maybe a comment by the mod pinging other mods capable of removing - if they have to go, the next mod can see what/when/where/how the grace period started, and remove if unedited.

Happy to hear other takes on this, but at first glance, a great idea!

[–] Vindicator 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

Another possibility would be a flair of some kind flagging it for removal if not fixed.

[–] think- 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Thank you! :-)

As I said, I'm aware this would depend on whether the mods feel they'd have the time to do it.

if they have to go, the next mod can see what/when/where/how the grace period started, and remove if unedited

I think it would be great to have a kind of mod diary, so when one mod ends his shift, he could leave comments for the one that takes over.

[–] argosciv 7 points -2 points (+5|-7) ago 

I've noticed @Millennial_Falcon has been more lenient in that regard lately.

[–] Crensch [S] 6 points -2 points (+4|-6) ago 

Lenient as in giving some time to fix?

[–] ESOTERICshade 2 points 8 points (+10|-2) ago  (edited ago)

This sticky is here because the usual monthly concern-trolling, and @Millenium_Falcon-attacking by @ESOTERICshade gathered enough notice to warrant one.


You started the following thread in pizzagatemods, not me, so its all on you.


I will also refuse to take this bait too. Anybody that reads this thread at the bottom link on this comment can see that your attitude is a dead give away that you will refuse to do whatever the community wishes. I will not be baited into a fake discussion by you. I went through the fake Rule 1 sticky thread "discussion" in which not a damn thing changed and the following thread is evidence of it.


I don't blame anybody else that really cares about this place if they don't participate either and I already know some that will refuse and remain silent because they don't feel that a dead end dog and pony show with you and @Millennial_Falcon is worth the effort.


Nice try but i'm not taking the bait. People can read here and easily understand why too. You have totally blown it and there is a no confidence vote in on you by the community. This dog and pony show will not restore any faith in you. You can rest assured of that. People can read. People are not stupid.


As always, mods serve at the pleasure of the users of the subverse. Please make your voices heard.

I want to say "roflmao" but its no longer funny. When people see that quote and juxtapose it against this next link they will see this bait a mile away.


They will be researched thoroughly, and if there is merit to them, something WILL be done.

They can read the following and see where you stand. You didn't change in the last ten minutes either.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagatemods/2394295


And by all means, comment on any other mod you have an issue with. Hell, if you guys want ME gone, I'll hand over the reigns to whomever you think is worthy.

Only comment you made that is worthy is that one right above.

[–] darkknight111 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Suggestion: Our submission guidelines need some evolution to reflect how much the scope of pizzagate has evolved (and is much deeper and more horrific than previously discovered).

Crensch I remember mentioning to you about how Pizzagate has basically evolved into "pedogate" with pizzagate becoming a vestigial name for the entire thing.

Legit good leads are being axed due to this very reason. Arbitrary sticking to outdated terms. Namely in regards to crimes like organ trafficking, which is intimately tied to human trafficking, which in itself is intimately tied to pedophile rings.

Stuff related to the elites satanic practices often get the axe too, though I would argue relevancy in terms of their motive. "Know Thy Enemy"

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2320210

It took this thread to make organ trafficking more accepted. (Note: a lot of this is deductions based on things discovered last summer and my academic training).

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2369245

A bit of intel update. Seems we found a new missing code word in the Podesta emails.

If you guys will excuse me, I'm off to go look for shit regarding human trafficking in Asia. Got a MAJOR hunch we're all missing some important piece of the puzzle by ignoring this front. Might need some back up too.

[–] 11936671 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I looked into Asia a bit before, I'll let you know if I can find anything. I remember seeing a child trafficking sign but I can't recall the context.

Excellent suggestion here. Hollywood/billionaires/mafia/satanists/porn/organ harvesting/etcetc are all related. There is so much to this.

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