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[–] GenghisSean 0 points 19 points (+19|-0) ago 

I admire your enthusiasm @srayzie, and I don't think you're a shill. Q gives a lot of people hope that change is coming and on the surface that seems like it could only be good, right? I sincerely hope that high level arrests are on the way, and that the whole swamp will be drained for good. However, I am still skeptical. The swamp won't go down without a fight and I don't think they're as stupid as Q let's on. I fear Q is a psyop to give us hope and keep us from leaving our keyboards. To keep us from rallying or fighting back in more material ways.

It has been shown rather conclusively that Q has insider information about future false flags and future Trump tweets. That doesn't prove Q is not working for the enemy. It's possible that Trump is one of them, even though we all hope he is keeping his promise to drain the swamp. I hope you're right about Q and my skepticism is overly cautious. I really do.

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[–] angry_mob 3 points 2 points (+5|-3) ago 

this is pretty much how i feel about Q & trump. also, if you follow other things that trump is doing, he really is doing some seriously bad shit. we need to pay attention to that too. he just opened up Utah's NATIONAL MONUMENTS to oil & gas drilling & mining. this is a serious fuck up. i will remain skeptical of Q & trump. i do retain some optimism, but that's my nature, but i think it's a mistake to jump on the band wagon just yet.

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[–] GenghisSean 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Yea and spending a fuck ton on the DoD just puts us further in debt. He's better than I expected, but far from perfect.

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[–] AdmirableNelson 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago  (edited ago)

"Fighting back in more material ways" is always a mere inch from being an incitement to discrediting stupidity or violence.

On the other hand, any sincere person worried about child trafficking has to wonder if NO ONE with any power cares... So when figures emerge that clearly do care: that name Epstein, that make arrests, etc... Well "overly cautious skepticism" smells funny to me, given the big picture. It's not a natural response for most people. And yet we see a flood of attacks on Q, from the most mindless trolling to the most refined, delicate, and subtle skepticism. There is WITHOUT QUESTION a war against Trump in the media and the internet.

I am strongly skeptical of your skepticism.

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[–] GenghisSean 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

"Fighting back in more material ways" is always a mere inch from being an incitement to discrediting stupidity or violence.

Your skepticism of my skepticism sounds fair to me. Let me first clarify that by "fighting back in more material ways," I didn't mean to condone violence. The "fighting" I had in mind was petitioning, peacefully protesting, and educating the masses on the crimes that the ruling class are committing in broad daylight to the most vulnerable of people. The reason I am skeptical is because I don't trust Trump. Presidents have made promises for a long time and as they come and go the situation doesn't seem to be getting any better. Trump has certainly broken the mold in a lot of ways, but his term isn't even halfway over. I don't want to count my chickens before they hatch.

Well "overly cautious skepticism" smells funny to me, given the big picture. It's not a natural response for most people.

The reason this is a natural response for me is because my entire worldview was turned on its head. I grew up in America, and I was lied to, indoctrinated, and manipulated subconsciously in ways that I'm still struggling to understand. Like many others, I'm finding it increasingly difficult to tell what is real. The longer Trump has been in office the more he has gained my trust. When he was sworn in I saw him as an elite exactly like Hillary, but I've since seen him stick his neck out for ordinary Americans. I really do want him to be a good guy. I try to keep up with Q because it is exciting to watch. It feels like history is being made before my very eyes. I want so badly for all of the criminals and monsters in government to be swept into cells in one fell swoop. I just hope I'm not being played again.

There is WITHOUT QUESTION a war against Trump in the media and the internet.

This is painfully obvious. A war was waged with Trump from day one (of his candidacy, well before he became POTUS). If the enemy weren't so adept in controlled opposition, this would be tremendous evidence for Trump's benevolence. They have used "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" to subvert and destroy one opponent after the other. A war has been waged, but I really hope this war isn't another banker's war. I hope this is a war with the bankers.

I am strongly skeptical of your skepticism.

I hope my disjointed rant helps you understand the source of my skepticism which you dub "overly cautious". I'm not being cautious because I want to flame Q or Trump, but because I'm afraid of being burned. I'm afraid of getting my hopes up and having them crushed again. That may seem link a poor reason for skepticism, but I don't think that keeping my mind open to any possibility is a bad thing. The hyperbolic and messianic aspects of both Trump and Q are legitimately concerning to me. Any idea that is above skepticism is dogmatic and dangerous, no matter how righteous it may seem. Finally, if you remain unconvinced of my skepticism, perhaps you might listen to this video that talks about some of the potential problems with Q more intelligently than I can. https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=3e_e5WI_mjg

P.S. I am still rooting for Trump and Q. Bring on the storm and drain that swamp!

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[–] EricKaliberhall 4 points 17 points (+21|-4) ago 

Excellent post @srayzie UpVoat.

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[–] srayzie [S] 2 points 10 points (+12|-2) ago 

👏🏻 Thank you 🙌🏻

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[–] flaxom 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

1: "LOCK: 15-10-5" in no way "confirms [15] marker" and is a stretch. Seeing what you want to see.

2: "Predicted" the bombing in hindsight after the fact. Could have easily said "bomb attack incoming" or something without giving away any details. POTUS nowhere near a NYC bus terminal. What about the direct claims here against Schiff taking 7.8mm for leaks, isn't that something to stand behind and tout as evidence? Why can't he make direct claims like that for his supposed predictions listed here?

3: "Fox Three" is terminology for air-to-air munitions fired from fighter jets/etc. It's a major stretch to go back and claim this is about an ICBM. Could have mentioned 1000 more specific details or even the part of the world this might take place in, instead you're claiming jet fighter radio terms are codewords for nuclear missile false flag attempts. Streeeeetch.

4: Not enough information to go off of, these photos could be from any time or date over the last couple decades, really. Interesting but he could also just hold up a fucking AF1 napkin or something too, you know?

5: Give me a fucking break. Quotes one of the world's most recited prayers and nearly a month later the leader of that religion also mentions that prayer - WOW what are the odds!

6: Did @Jack go somewhere, did he disappear or leave Twitter or anything as indicated by "Goodbye"? Being in the news does not equate to "Goodbye @Jack" even if it's bad news. I'll admit this is recent so maybe still developing, but again an extremely tenuous connection that is unconvincing at best.

7: So he mentions a term in widespread usage through our military and apparently this means he predicted a tweet about a fucking TV show that was probably in the TV guide for a month anyway? Just absurd, and ultimately meaningless. If this is what Q is revealing then fuck him, I can buy a TV guide myself.

Also, what does this have to do with PG, why is it in here every day? I'm sure there's dedicated Q and CBTS subs, boards, etc. Is it because it's designed to soak up all the PG interest and ultimately discredit it all together as one big larp just like this disinfo is designed to do?

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[–] Vindicator 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Also, what does this have to do with PG, why is it in here every day?

Because Q has talked extensively about it. From a comment I made elsewhere:

Regarding whether Q talked about "a massive conspiracy involving a global pedophilia ring"

I've looked back through the entirety of Q's posts and here's what I found:

Q did post a pic of Anderson Cooper, reading a newsletter with kids on it and what looks like "Gnome77" at the top. His comment about it was:

Dec 13 2017 21:24:04 Q !ITPb.qbhqo ID: 3610ff 93181

Saw this in last thread. Focus on papers on table. Graphic at top.

They all belong to the same sick cult/club.

Q

That strongly implies pizzagate, even though he doesn't say those words. Looking even further back, in one of the posts before he got a tripcode, he says:

Who exposed the pedo network within H wood? You can’t answer the above but will laugh once disclose details.

The network which controls this false narrative which in turns keeps the black pop under control is being dismantled. False local and national black leaders will be exposed next as shills for the D party. Follow the money. Maxine W has a $4mm home and cash assets in excess of $6mm. How is that possible? One example. All of these questions help to paint the full picture.

In another early post, he says:

The pedo networks are being dismantled. The child abductions for satanic rituals (ie Haiti and other 3rd world countries) are paused (not terminated until players in custody). We pray every single day for God’s guidance and direction as we are truly up against pure evil.

Q never mentions "pizzagate" himself. However, he does reply directly to a person who says:

with all the race war propaganda and pizzagate possibility, i became suicidal because i cant stand that no one will open their eyes and are being manipulated hard. i hope with all of my heart that Trump is going to make good on his promise to maga and clean the swamp.

with this:

Dear Patriot. We hear you. We hear all Americans such as yourself. The time has come to take back our great land. The time is now. Rest assured POTUS is backed by the absolute finest people alive who are all dedicated to the eradication evil and corruption from the US/World. Find peace. God is with us. God bless and be safe. -The WH

So I can see how both the Southern Poverty "Law" Center would get the idea Q has confirmed the "Pizzagate conspiracy". I'm sure they're spending a fortune on lawyers trying to figure out how to protect their assets now, too. ;-)

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[–] Are_we_sure 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

So he mentions a term in widespread usage through our military and apparently this means he predicted a tweet about a fucking TV show that was probably in the TV guide for a month anyway?

Show was complete and being promoted in Nov http://ew.com/tv/2017/11/29/chris-evans-chain-of-command/

Footage of the coffee cup is from 2016.

The hilarious part is if the Q LARP was real, it's basically a coup. They claim to be fighting a Deep State coup, but all their actions the Q fans applaud are illegal and deeply UnAmerican. If these were orders actually giving to US Soliders they would be duty bound to refuse them. US Soldiers legally would have to ignore the chain of command because they cannot follow illegal orders.

It's illegal for the military to perform law enforcement activities.

It's illegal to arrest people and hold them in custody incommunicado.

It's illegal for the NSA to target US persons.

They claim there is a coup happening against Trump, but it's just part of Trump's attack on the rule of Law.

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[–] flaxom 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

You make some interesting points. Though I'm not convinced either that Trump is a tyrant destroying the rule of law or connected in any way to Russia. I watched the Russia narrative develop out of leaked emails and I watched the collusion that took place between the scrambling campaign that created it and the kike media that pushed it. Those were real insights and real leaks, not like this empty Q stuff. We'll see where things go- but I try to remain optimistic.

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[–] srayzie [S] 2 points -2 points (+0|-2) ago 

Please forward all other comments you have for me to @Jack 🤓

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[–] flaxom 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Okay, thanks for the very convincing argument. You zealots totally sold me on Q's legitimacy with all this overwhelming evidence and weakly attempted insults.

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[–] Blacksmith21 5 points 8 points (+13|-5) ago 

Excellent Srayzie! God's work. Keep in mind that "this" (social media, Voat, etc.) are a form of battlefield. We are on one side (truth) and others are on the other side (shill, evil, DS).

We don't get too many Voaters in the middle who say - "wait a second, this doesn't make sense...what about this fact and that fact" to counter the narrative. What we get from asshats like @flaxom who vomit walls of text with hypothetical arguments which lead to nowhere. Never any fact. Then they forum shift/slide. Then attack.

It is very obvious who the shills are. Even normies do not behave that way. Only shills do. The Hitler Youth Homos, the Racine is Corrupt crew, and the random bottom feeders like @flaxon.

As far as Q being real, I HIGHLY suggest everyone start at the beginning of the Q feeds and read backward. Look through the lens of hindsight. Things make more and more sense each day.

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[–] Mylon 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Stay skeptical. If the US were to turn into a dictatorship, how would it happen? Through Obama + Hillary cronyism, or through an Obama feint + "God Emperor" savior that the people welcome and cheer? How do we know we're not being played now? Trump seems too good to be true, both in his unlikely win in the Republican primaries and with how Q is hyping him up to be some kind of messiah.

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[–] andrevandelft 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Upvoted. We should always strive for the truth. There are 2 possibilities:

  • [1] Q is unreal
  • [2] Q is real

@Vindicator's seven proofs of Q indicate that [2] holds. But then there are again 2 possibilities:

  • [2.1] Trump is good
  • [2.2] Trump is evil

IMO Trump certainly seems to be good, but he could be playing. I would not know under what conditions I would 100% be convinced that he is genuine.

There is much at stake. Always stay vigilant.

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[–] jervybingly 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

You forgot the CIA, the Pope, Mossad, Killary and a host of others.

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[–] Blacksmith21 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I think that is the other 70% of mind-blowing corruption and evil not "disclosed" publicly yet.

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[–] MichaelClayton 3 points 6 points (+9|-3) ago  (edited ago)

Larp or not, how is making any change? Yeah people are inspired to research, but nothing is happening. Just more promises.

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[–] 2impendingdoom 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

its very frustrating, but people becoming aware is still better than no progress at all. I want arrests yesterday!

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[–] angry_mob 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

this is true too & i would love to see those arrests happen.

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[–] Narcissism 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Agree, and the Q psyop people just screwed up and posted a known fake Email on his 8-chan account before deleting it. Plus the Shills are so obviously all over this one. Lots of new members pushing it like their pay cheque depended on it. To establish a disinfo agent they always throw a few pieces of new real info in the mix.

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[–] srayzie [S] 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

I already replied to you earlier about the fake email but I’ll repeat it...

https://voat.co/v/GreatAwakening/2353268

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[–] SoSpricyHotDog 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

You have to look at this through a realistic lens though... think about the scope of what is being claimed. It's decades of corruption, thousands implicated, huge amounts of money/black market activity, collusion at the highest levels of the government... and people expect this to be a "case closed" situation like we're investigating someone for insider trading on the NASDAQ.

For those of you who think this is "all talk, no action"... look at the Trump/Russia investigation. This has been going on for almost as long as we've had access to the leaked email accounts. And look how long this is taking. Mind you, the Russian investigation has been publicly presented to us as a dead-to-rights guaranteed case of guilt since day 1. It's almost never been reported as a possible case of collusion, but rather, collusion that occurred and simply hasn't been proven yet.

So, on one hand you've got an investigation into Russia that's resulted in next to nothing (other than multiple cases of collusion that implicate the left/prior admin) and that's okay! And on the other hand, you've got a grassroots/nearly invisible behind the scenes effort to shut down an unimaginably large and powerful corrupt shadow government that still holds incredible levels of influence - and that is supposed to magically be completely "case closed" immediately.

Please think about this rationally with respect to how large the scope is vs. other cases that have drug on for far longer, with infinitely smaller scopes.

The last thing we want is for there to be 200-300 arrests just to move quickly, and then sacrifice the full scope of the investigation by showing cards too quickly.

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[–] MichaelClayton 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

This corruption has been going on for over a hundred years now. I don't expect it wiped out in a day but I expect visible progress if the swamp draining is actually real. And if it is, Trump really only has three bankable years left to do it. Right now it's just supposed insiders stringing us along with puzzles, which is what every president does. "we're getting it done, be patient" but it never happens. just lots and lots of political theater in the public eye. I don't believe Trump is going to do anything anymore. I gave him a year and we're in the same spot except for some arrests and a couple crises said to be averted. I would love to be proven wrong, but I doubt it.

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[–] Are_we_sure 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

So, on one hand you've got an investigation into Russia that's resulted in next to nothing

Donald Trump's National Security Advisor has pleaded guilty to a felony and is a cooperating witness for the Special Counsel. He lasted less than 2 months. That's a pretty tremendous scandal. The terms of his deal means the other crimes he committed are being kept quiet for now. You only have seen what the special prosecutor has chosen to make public. So far we have 2 guilty pleas, 2 cooperating witnesses and 2 people indicted on 12 counts each.

The Watergate burglars were arrested on June 17, 1972. Nixon was reelected a few months later. and didn't leave office until August 1974.

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[–] Travellingman 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I don't doubt Q is connected to Trump in someway

I've always felt it was Stephen Miller and one or two other LARPing propagandists and working together

The whole thing is so over the top quoting bible verses, calling Trump a savior, etc. This is the way Hitler worked and to me it's all a bit unsettling.

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[–] srayzie [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

He’s a Christian. He’s not calling Trump a savior.

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[–] starseed_empath 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

None of the so-called 'proofs' of Q prove anything other than high level intel Q is privy too. Hence certain 'predictions' coming true. But answer me this.

If Q is a psy-op, which I believe it is and was from the start, then what assurance do we have the reason they know about these events in advance isn't actually because they're being made privy to the plans? How do you know these events are not being staged in direct correlation with Q's postings as part of the psy-op?

Simple answer is: you don't. Nobody does -- except those behind Q's keyboard.

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[–] Gilderoy 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Great post! I just sent an email to my closest normie Trump-supporting friends explaining about the Q phenomenon and urging them to start following Dr. Corsi's decodings of Q so they could have an idea of what is really going on behind the scenes, but only one person replied and said she would read it all later. Didn't have time to look at it, but at least she was nice. I imagine the next time I see the others they'll be running away from me as far and as fast as they can. : ) Must think I finally went over the edge.

Because my family and I have learned so much and have such a more hopeful, energetic outlook because of "Q", I thought I should share that with my friends. I left them with this thought: if Q accurately outlined the contents of the FISA memo on 12/22, then that is all the verification needed of the authenticity of Q. I know there are many more corroborations, but that would be especially YUGE.

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[–] srayzie [S] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I know what you mean! Nobody in my real life is interested in this stuff. That’s why I love talking to my online friends here. 🙂 Not the jerks. But the ones that are awake to the real world.

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[–] Gilderoy 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Nobody in my real life is interested in this stuff

Boy, does that sentence ever resonate!

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