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[–] novictim 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

I just think it's an awfully strong coincidence

But the time sequence is wrong. The Marxists came in first and then the Prayer (and notions of patriotism and national pride) went out the window due to indoctrination in the schools and colleges. And don't forget the admonition of Christ to not pray on the Street Corner (eg Don't demonstrate you virtue to be seen as virtuous. Just be Virtuous!). Praying in a school seems like:

1) Praying on the street corner

2) An industrialization of prayer and

3) Public Schools are not Churches and public school Prayer led by the paid staff on school time is a violation of the separation of Church and State. Trust me. You DO NOT WANT the government to be endorsing a branch of Christianity or opening that door for any other religion. We can all pray or not pray in our own way. The Creator is not housed in a cube in Mecca and requires you to face him with geographical precision and pray at particular times and manner!

Hey, I hope your Thanksgiving is with a happy and healthy family and good cheer all around!

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[–] eucalyptus_spearmint 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

I never said God was housed in any cube in Mecca or required us to face it while we pray? Prayer in schools was still reverence to the authority of our creator, and one need not all believe in the exact same things about God to ask Him for the things we surely all want from Him. And think of the psychological effect of removing that daily reverence to something greater than ourselves. While I do see your point about government mandated anything, it went on in our schools for 200 years...and I would not in good conscience be able to argue that things have improved since that time. :) But you make some good points.

Thank you for the well wishes! I hope the same for you! 😊

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[–] novictim ago  (edited ago)

I never said God was housed in any cube in Mecca

Of course you didn't! You are not a benighted human being who subscribed to Islam and the lies of Mohammad. So, awesome person, you missed the point I was making. That is my bad. What I was trying to emphasize is that, unlike Islam, Christians can pray anywhere, at anytime, and yet expect their creator to hear their words. So "School Prayer" is no more sacrosanct to a Christian than is praying in private while making widgets at a factory. But for Muslims, they have created necessities and places and times as being sacrosanct and become enraged when their dogma is not catered to.

And think of the psychological effect of removing that daily reverence

It is a valid concern. I think you are correct I am a nonbeliever (I don't believe in magic of any kind) but I am also an ardent appreciator of Jesus Christ. And it is important to the survival of our culture to value and teach the core Judeo-Christian story and meaning to the youth. And we need to teach the scientific method and the skeptic mindset. From those starting points, the individual can assemble their world view grounded in Western Thought. Currently, neither of those foundations are taught and so education in the USA and the West has become "hallowed" out (excuse the pun).

Again, I hope your THANKSGIVING is super-duper! Ta'