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[–] RweSure [S] 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Wait, what about the first attempt to get kids? Silsby was in Haiti days before she was arrested

An early thread on Voat makes these claims https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1591337

1 Laura Silsby was given children from an orphanage called Friends of the Orphans during her first attempt of child-trafficking

2 The exchange took place in Petionville, near the collapsed Fr. Wasson Center of Friends of the Orphans

3 -The orphans were housed in a FOTO building called St. Helene in Kenscoff, where 100 children disappeared after the earthquake

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1601255

These are some definitive claims do they stand up? No. They do not stand up and the evidence reads as if it is presented in support of a premade conclusion.

1 "Friends of the Orphans"

The link for this just goes back to Jorge Puello's TV interview. The one I just showed is not reliable.

2 The exchange took place in Petionville, near the collapsed Fr. Wasson Center of Friends of the Orphans

(Again, the Fr. Wasson Center is an Nuestro Pequeno Hermanos/Nos Petits Frères et Sœurs building, not a Friends of the Orphans building because Friends of the Orphans have no buildings in Haiti.) Put that aside. Did NPH/NPFS have a building that collapsed in Petionville, Haiti?

Yes.

2010: Father Wasson Center collapsed in the 7.0 magnitude earthquake https://www.nph.org/ws/homes/home.php?org=11&lang=de https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XOUIFsCZag

So NPH did have a collapsed orphanage in Haiti?

No. Evidence below.

First let's look at the claim that "the exchange took place in Petitionville. " Here's the link given for support https://archive.is/lMmHp#selection-1093.0-1093.168

However, this link does not says Silsby was given children from FOHO or NPH/NPFS. In fact, it says nothing about an exchange at all. It says they were on the bus with children. It doesn't say anything about where the children got on the bus.

The officer said he discovered Silsby and the nine other Americans on a bus in Port-au-Prince's Pétionville neighborhood after receiving a tip from a concerned citizen. He stopped the group and ordered the children to get off the bus. He then directed Silsby to the Dominican Embassy.

Obviously, when they were driving around through different parts of Haiti, the children were still on the bus with them. It's about a two hour drive to the Domincan border. So this tells us nothing about where the children got on the bus.

This is circumstantial evidence, but it is being stretched to support a conclusion that it cannot. Why not?

NPH/NPFS did NOT have an orphanage collapse in Haiti.

We can say this definitively. NPH/NPFS DID NOT have an orphange collapse in Haiti. In fact, their orphanage did not sustain damage.

To understand this and to clear up confusion, you have to understand where NPH/NFPS was located and how they operated at the time of the Earthquake. You can't simply look on their website now because since the earthquake they have expanded and opened more sites. To figure out what buildings they had in Jan 2010. I went to their annual reports https://issuu.com/nphi/docs/nph-haiti-country-report-2008 https://www.nph.org/intranet/reports/docs/6/2009%20NPHI%20Annual%20Report.pdf

"NPFS has three distinct locations with numerous programs. Kenscoff, Tabarre in Port Au Prince and Petitionville. Within these three locations, they had multiple programs."

**Kenscoff ** St. Helene Orphanage located in Kenscoff St. Helene is a home to over 430 children ... A preschool through secondary school is located onsite .... Kay Christine is home to 35 children and adults with special needs inside St. Helene.

Tabarre St. Damien Pediatric Hospital located in Tabarre, Port-au-Prince St. Damien is the only free pediatric hospital in Haiti......Also on hospital grounds, Kay Germaine, a rehabilitation and education center for disabled children

Pétionville Kay Pere Wasson (Father Wasson Center) located in Pétionville, Port Au Prince This five-story building, ... is the administrative hub of NPFS and the home to social workers who manage new cases and the Extern Program. Kay Elaine is located on the premises and, much like Kay St. Germaine, is a rehabilitation and education center for disabled children.

People on VOAT were wondering how an orphanage could collapse and no orphanges be killed. It's because they building that collapsed was NOT an orphanage. It was an office building. The school Kay Elaine was a day school and the children/adults went back to their families.

Again the NPH/NPFS orphanage did not suffer Earthquake damage. They are also a large and well funded organization. There would be no need to send orphans to another place. If any orphans were displaced at the Father Wasson Center, they could have simply moved them to St. Helene's their main orphanage.

3 The orphans were housed in a FOTO building called St. Helene in Kenscoff, where 100 children disappeared after the earthquake

We can now see this is ludicrous. The claim is that a building with no orphans collapsed in Petitionville, so Silsby was given 100 orphans (!!!!) from a different building in a different town that suffered no damage at all. This makes no sense whatsoever. At no point did anyone claim Silsbys group had 100 children with them. (Their bus would not have accomodated them.)

100 kids disappeared? Wow. What's the support of that. That would have been pretty big news.

450 children in Friends of Orphans orphanage, St. Helene, before earthquake http://i.imgur.com/eaUehMa.png

Post-earthquake update only reports 350 children "safe and sound", which means it was under-reported by 100 children http://i.imgur.com/9m8oWlZ.png

The support for this last one comes from here. https://archive.is/IDSbM#selection-1343.0-1349.243

Reading this, it's clear the point of the article is about how the orphanage is doing, not a full count of the children. Rather than assuming 100 children disappeared, what about other less shocking assumptions? Something as simple, as the reporter meant to type 450 or misheard what they were told or that Jennifer Rayno misspoke. Unless, you're claiming this woman is part of the conspiracy, she is clearly saying all orphans are OK. This is why I say, this evidence is presented to support a premade conclusion. Also note, the reporter talking to people in the US. The dateline of the article is in Chicago. Friends of the Orphans is a US based organization. They are not on the ground in Haiti.

More evidence of the premade conclusion is the fact whoever ever posted this had EVIDENCE the Fr. Wasson Center WAS NOT AN ORPHANAGE. It's literally in the paragraph before their screenshot.

The Fr. Wasson Center in Petionville serves as a guest house, volunteer residence, administrative offices and a day school for children with disabilities, and has completely collapsed. Rescuers and aid workers are assessing the extent of injuries.

The Fr. Wasson Center in Petionville serves as a guest house, volunteer residence, administrative offices and a day school for children with disabilities, and has completely collapsed. Rescuers and aid workers are assessing the extent of injuries. According to Jennifer Rayno, Director of Haiti initiative for Friends of the Orphans, all 350 children at the St. Helene orphanage in Kenscoff, 11 miles east of the epicenter, are safe and have sustained no injuries, and the complex is intact.

A couple of other points regarding the numbers. A. They are not static. You can't cite a 2011 report to support the numbers that were there pre Earthquake. As the kids get older they go from the St. Helene orphanage to the St. Bosco school where they live with different families. B. Their August 2010 report gives the figures of 400 at St. Helen and 200 at St. Bosco, probably rounded. C. Their Jan 2011 report gives 382 at St. Helene and 255 at Don Bosco. They also opened more facilities after the earthquake.

https://www.nph-haiti.org/ws/news/reports.php?lang=en&yr=all

Saint Helene Foyer ::: Located in the mountains of Kenscoff, (elevation 6,000 feet) St. Helene is a permanent home to 400 children. Over 200 external students from the community attend the on-site school. Kay “House” Christine is located inside St. Helene and is home to over 30 children with special needs. Saint Don Bosco ::: Roughly 250 children and youths still supported by NPFS but not living at St. Helene are enrolled in the St. Don Bosco program. Students live with extended family or in group homes and attend secondary school, including professional or vocational school. The future site of the Don Bosco school and student dorms is located in Tabarre, near the hospital.