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[–] Millennial_Falcon 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago  (edited ago)

You lie. Jorge Puello told a reporter that the orphans came from a collapsed orphanage called "Friends of the Orphans of Haiti."

You ignore other key details from the Executive Summary:

Hillary Clinton was sent email updates on the prosecution of Laura Silsby, who was caught trafficking children in Haiti. Laura Silsby was got off the hook by Jorge Puello, who was later convicted of sex trafficking, and was wanted on charges of sex trafficking in four countries. Additional source. Izette Folger, a close friend of James Alefantis, gave a statement in support of Silsby. Folger is the daughter of Michael Maccoby, who coaches leaders of Nuestros Pequeños Hermanos, or NPH, a large organization that runs orphanages all over the world. His son, Max Maccoby, is on the Boards of Directors of an NPH orphanage called Friends of the Orphans, which is one of 760 orphanages operating in Haiti, and happens to be the orphanage from which Silsby was caught trafficking children. Max Maccoby gave an emphatic and lengthy statement of support for Comet during a contentious neighborhood commission meeting. The relevant portion of the audio file starts at 31:40.

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[–] RweSure [S] 2 points -2 points (+0|-2) ago  (edited ago)

Possible Disinfo? That's hilarious. I think have debunked charge number 1. I certainty debunked the evidence used to assert charge #1. That's a valid bit of info for this investigation. Disinfo should be used when someone is actively lying and not just incorrect, right?

I will reply with my comments on this thread.

@hookednosedjoooo, are you trying to tell me that the entire Silsby thing was disinfo?

I have no idea how PleadingtheYiff could have written about a document that clearly was written or updated in January 2010 and claimed it was from 2001

@Commoner Yes or No? Did the state dept have the silsby document when they rescued her from Haiti?

I can't answer yes or no to this, because the State Department did not rescue her. She was convicted of a crime in Haiti and sentenced. She left Haiti after the Haitian Justice system was done with her.

On to MF.

Hillary Clinton was sent email updates on the prosecution of Laura Silsby, who was caught trafficking children in Haiti.

Yes. Of course she was. Because she is the Secretary of State of the United States and ensuring that American citizens have their rights seen to is part of the State Department's mission. And this was a high profile case. Clinton's involvement in this case is NOT because of Laura Silsby who she didn't know. Clinton's involvement is because of her job, She was the secretary of State when this occurred. As I point out, the State Department got involved because it was 10 AMCIT arrested or 10 American Citizens. The State Department would have gotten involved if it was a different set of 10 American Citizens or if the crime was different. See the Amanda Knox case. In fact, the State Department was criticized for being slow to react in that murder case and Knox ended up deciding not to get a lawyer and wound up being falsely convicted.

I link to the State Department's page on Americans getting arrested overseas above and at the bottom is two bulleted lists of what the State Department can and cannot do. These two lists are very important in understand the email chain.

Laura Silsby was got off the hook by Jorge Puello, who was later convicted of sex trafficking, and was wanted on charges of sex trafficking in four countries.

This has nothing to do with Clinton. And Silsby was not got off the hook, she was convicted of a lesser crime after a trial. Puello was not her lawyer at trial. This is another thing your summary seems to not understand. Puello was exposed and off the case by mid-February. Jean-Rene Tesir was her lawyer at trial which began in May. At the time of the trial Puello was under arrest in the Domican Republic and was awaiting extradition to the US by the time her trial began.

A fugitive who once acted as the lawyer for a group of U.S. missionaries accused of kidnapping 33 Haitian children was arrested on human-trafficking charges, authorities said Friday........One of the Baptists’ Haitian lawyers, Aviol Fleurant, said Puello absconded with $30,000 in legal fees the Americans had raised for Fleurant.

Why would you think he did anything for these Baptists that the Haitian courts couldn't reverse in the months before trial? Why do you say he got them "off the hook"

Which brings us to this.

You lie. Jorge Puello told a reporter that the orphans came from a collapsed orphanage called "Friends of the Orphans of Haiti."

Actually my post clearly says this

Jorge Puello claimed she got kids from an orphanage that crumbled in the earthquake and called for help.

and clearly give my reason for not believing this to be true.

I always dismissed the Maccoby story based on two things. One is that "Friends of the Orphans" is the name of a US group and wouldn't be the name used in Haiti. Two is Puello is just a crazy known liar.

Two Questions for you. How am I lying when I mention and explain this? Why do you believe the word of Jorge Puello.

Other details.

Izette Folger, a close friend of James Alefantis, gave a statement in support of Silsby.

Check your summary. You provide no link for the "Statement in support of Silsby." So I can evaluate that one way or another, can't see if she was just responding to what was in the news or something more material.

You do provide a link for the claim that the NPH orphanage https://archive.fo/ox7Fa#selection-523.0-533.198 and here is the quote

VAN SUSTEREN: Where did they find these 33 children? How did they get these children? PUELLO: There was an orphanage that collapsed in Haiti. It was called friends of the orphans of Haiti. And there was somebody over there that told them that the orphans had no place, no room to place them.

The context make clear, Puello makes this claim about the 33 children she was arrested with. So the theory mentioned by Waxdino, that I quote doesn't apply. (100 kids from Friend of the Orphans)

The same 33 children where the AP traced to Citron and 20 from Callabas. NPH operates no facilities there.

The NPH orphanage is in Kenscoff which is up in the mountains. As I said in the original post, the NPH bulding that collapsed was in Petitionville and was not an orphanage

2010: Father Wasson Center collapsed in the 7.0 magnitude earthquake

Kay Pere Wasson (Father Wasson Center) located in Pétionville, Port Au Prince This five-story building, formerly St. Damien Hospital, is the administrative hub of NPFS

Questions for @Millennial_Falcon

So MF, I ask you these questions (The first two of which I think have been definitely answered)

  1. Where is the evidence that an orphanage called "Friends of the Orphans of Haiti" existed.
  2. Where is the evidence that it collapsed during the earthquake.
  3. Is there evidence that doesn't rely on the word of a conman?
  4. Where is the evidence I am lying?

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[–] DarkMath 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Oh look you forgot to address my issues:

1) Silsby lied and said the kids were orphans when they weren't.

2) Silsby was repeatedly told not to take the kids out of Haiti without government permission. She was told that by both the Dominican Republic and Haiti. She ignored both their warnings and she was arrested for child trafficking.

3) A child's organs are worth over $1,000,000 and provide a compelling financial incentive for any child trafficker. At the time of her arrest Laura Silsby's business was struggling and finally went bankrupt.

4) Children are also used in Brownstone Operations. Jeffrey Epstein and Mossad ran a Brownstone Operation on a Carribean island close by called Little St. James. Mossad used underage children to gather sexual blackmail evidence which is often used to control politicians. Dennis Hastert is a prime example of how TPTB put compromised politicians in positions of power so they can control them better.

Your silence is deafening AreWeSure

:-D

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[–] Commoner 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

@Commoner Yes or No? Did the state dept have the silsby document when they rescued her from Haiti? I can't answer yes or no to this, because the State Department did not rescue her. She was convicted of a crime in Haiti and sentenced. She left Haiti after the Haitian Justice system was done with her.

I will rephrase it.

Did the State Department under Hillary Clinton have access to the Silsby's document when she was arrested in Haiti?

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[–] darkknight111 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Lying shill still being lying shill defending corrupt leftist elites.

The honest have no use for multiple alts. If you are being honest, then get rid of every single one of your alts. And explain to everyone. Shills use alts to give themselves upvoats and get around downvoats.

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[–] DarkMath 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

"rely on absolutely blind hatred of Hillary Clinton"

Please disregard AreWeSure. He or she is on a mission to "Resist!" any and all criticism of Killary Clinton.

If AreWeSure was truly objective they'd concede some of the massive pile of evidence pointing to the Clinton Foundation committing charity fraud on a scale never before seen in the History of Western Civilization.

Even prominent Ivy League economists will tell you straight up the evidence of fraud is overwhelming.

But AreWeSure has NEVER conceded a single piece of evidence pointing to a crime. That's extremely odd if one is here to objectively investigate a potential crime. I've been wrong on MANY occasions like my totally misreading George Webb as legitimate. He's not. He's another CIA limited hangout like all the rest, FBIAnon, Edward Snowden, Julian Assange etc etc.

Rational and objective people admit their mistakes. AreWeSure has never admitted a single mistake which makes he or she either the smartest person in the world or a mindless Hill-bot.

So take his or her accusation of our "blind hatred of Hillary Clinton" with a grain of salt. The evidence Hillary & Co may be involved in child trafficking down in Haiti is substantial and can't be dismissed. If anyone's curious for the most damming evidence let me know. The worst is Laura Silsby lied and said the children were orphans. None of them were orphans, they all had at least one live parent. Silsby was also told not to take them out of Haiti without government permission. Both the Domincan Republic and Haitian government told her that and she ignored them.

(For context a child's organs are worth around one million dollars and provide an enormous incentive for a child trafficker to kidnap them. They're also useful in Brownstone Operations at the least the cute ones.)

:-D

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[–] Jem777 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

@Are_we_Sure & @Rwesure

You are disinfo....but not just a typical shill. You are a paid insider or "blackhat". You know what that is. Where does your conscience go when defending the market if using children for sex trafficking. Where is your moral clarity?

For the Love of God....even NBC news has now reported Hillary Clinton covered up child sex trafficking in the US State Department.

You are either an attorney trying to influence a jury or have a guilty conscience about something regarding child sex trafficking. Time to come clean it go into hiding and lawyer up yourself.

Call Jorge Puello, maybe he will offer his services for legal defense as he did Laura Silsby while wanted in several other countries for child trafficking.

@Millennial_Falcon @DarkMath @ Dressage2 @Jangles @ BlackSmith21 @Commoner

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[–] RweSure [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Why do you believe I am paid insider. I'm not.

Never worked in government at any level. Never been paid to come to voat.

.even NBC news has now reported Hillary Clinton covered up child sex trafficking in the US State Department.

of course they did not. Please find the original NBC report and find out what it says. Then find out the resolution.

You are either an attorney trying to influence a jury or have a guilty conscience about something regarding child sex trafficking. Time to come clean it go into hiding and lawyer up yourself.

This is fantasy on your part.

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[–] DarkMath 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

"Why do you believe I am paid insider."

Because you refuse to be reasonable when discussing these issues. There's actually a formal expectation in Law that people are "reasonable". Without reason the system breaks down: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_person. When people refuse to reason there are legal consequences.

For example you refuse to answer simple questions that may make you look bad. You don't have that option.

Stop ignoring the following question and provide us an answer:

Why is Columbia Economics Professor Jeffrey Sachs wrong and you're right?

:-D

@Millennial_Falcon @Dressage2 @Jangles @BlackSmith21 @Commoner

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[–] jangles 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

R_we_sure may not be any special person, more likely a skeptic society slue slathered in sloppy subversive ideals painted for them.

In their view they likely believe they are helping this community by providing a skeptical question in the notions presented here. Don't discredit this goat's efforts here as he does provide constructs to his positions, most of the time, not always. They sometimes make logical sense, other times they are an obvious stretch. Who knows what they don't know?.....

Here is a link to a resource that provides great details on how to deal with the radical skeptic.

https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/whats-skeptical-about-skepticism-0

@Millennial_Falcon @Dressage2 @Jangles @BlackSmith21 @Commoner @DarkMath @Jem777


Note: I am not defending anyone but also support this not becoming an echo chamber.

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[–] Jem777 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

II don't have fantasies regarding exposing child trafficking and organ harvesting....I have Nightnares because reality of all this evil breaks my heart. Turning a blind eye makes you complicit. You should evaluate your moral clarity.

You spend all your time actually fighting for Chikd trafficking to not be exposed.

You are on the wrong side history.

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[–] DarkMath 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

"You[AreWeSure] are a paid insider"

AreWeSure are you getting paid to post here on behalf of Killary's Resistance Group?

You need to come clean if you are because that's morally reprehensible. I mean we're talking evidence CHILDREN are being sexually abused. I can certainly understand you coming here on your own for free. But if you're being paid you need to have your head examined.

@Millennial_Falcon @Dressage2 @Jangles @BlackSmith21 @Commoner

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[–] Dressage2 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I think he/she is a paid shill otherwise just plain morally corrupt. What a pathetic job. Maybe someday after reading all our comments he/she will realize what is really important. The children are being destroyed and it needs to stop.

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[–] hookednosedjoooo 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

HOL UP! are you trying to tell me that the entire Silsby thing was disinfo?

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[–] DarkMath 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

"the entire Silsby thing was disinfo?"

Hnj the entire Pizzagate CIA disinfo campaign is to distract from the evidence of child trafficking by Hillary Clinton. Keep it real brother.

CIA disinfo has a purpose and that's to distract from evidence of real crimes. If there were no real crimes why would they go through all that effort to set up CPP and James Alefantis?

;-D

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[–] Commoner 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

It's also the most serious episode, because it's the only connection to an actual crime.

Besides Hillary using a private server, destroying it, her emails, her blackberries, and lying about it.

Besides Comey lying about Hillary to hide her emails

Besides the Clinton Foundation running a pay to play scam

etc........

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[–] fogdryer 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

What I read is that Laura gaylor was long time friend of bill first

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[–] Commoner 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Yes or No?

Did the state dept have the silsby document when they rescued her from Haiti?

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