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[–] 2impendingdoom 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

the problem with this theory is the parole entry. I know you are keeping track and posting on this subject but there is just too much conflicting and missing info. Her whole story is baffling and isn't there still another person at the "meeting" not yet identified? I'm still not seeing how she is functioning as a lawyer in a federal case without speaking english or bar license.

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[–] Are_we_sure 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

She is functioning as a lawyer for the Russian company and hiring American law firms for local work.

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[–] Gilderoy [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

This is general knowledge, verified by many sources.

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[–] 2impendingdoom 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

unless you provide a source , go fuck off, i'm not doing your constant garbage

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[–] Gilderoy [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I understand your bafflement. It's highly complicated. Re: Natalia's entry, BuzzFeed reported yesterday that the Dept. of Homeland Security issued a statement to them about it:

"In Sept. 2015, DHS paroled Natalia Veselnitskaya into the U.S. in concurrence with the U.S. Attorney's Office, Southern District of New York, allowing her to participate in a client’s legal proceedings," the Department of Homeland Security said in a statement to BuzzFeed News Thursday night.

"Ms. Veselnitskaya was subsequently paroled into the U.S. several times between 2015 and 2016, ending in February 2016. In June 2016, she was issued a B1/B2 nonimmigrant visa by the U.S. Department of State," it said.

So, for whatever it's worth, Buzz Feed is reporting that Loretta Lynch did not grant the visa, and DHS has said they granted her parole. Trump had said he had heard that Lynch was responsible but also acknowledged he could be wrong about that.

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[–] Commoner 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Buzzfeed is not a reliable source, IMO. Lynch's department granted the VISA. It is like blaming repubicans for Obamacare failure because they didn't vote to throw money at it.

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[–] Gilderoy [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

More info on her entry has come out.

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[–] Commoner 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Which Obama admin dept let her in? why?

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[–] quantokitty 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I go back to my original assertion: You are definitely a shill. The fact you keep posting this twisted bunch of crap that only makes sense to a Soros-infected mind is more than enough proof.

Hope you like being on the side of the aisle that works to protect pedophiles and human traffickers, but when did you exactly sell your soul?

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[–] Gilderoy [S] 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago  (edited ago)

You have no idea what motivates me, buddy, and know even less about the state of my soul.

I strongly suspect Natalia is a very valuable ally to the Trump Administration and may have actually provided vital information about Clinton, but it could be Trumpers have been given orders to convey the opposite impression since she is highly radioactive in the current climate.

I believe she was attempting mainly to overthrow the Magnitsky Act but was also working to "out" pedophiles in Washington under cover of claiming to want to "restart" Russian adoptions.

Browder and his allies in the MSM claimed in May of last year that her NGO was a false cover and were warning their side she was not to be trusted.

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[–] quantokitty 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

You're a stupid scummy shill and you know it.

Stop talking in platitudes and giving ridiculous reasons for saying the asinine things you come out with. This is just another attempt to keep another post of yours artificially boosted by getting into an argument with someone. I'm fucking blocking you so don't have that option anymore. The same as I did with @darkmtch and @equineluvr. You fit right in.

And it's funny that a post of mine dealing with this douchebag Natalia was targeted and deleted by Millenial Falcon, yet your shit stays up? Why is the exact same subject matter hands off when a shill posts it and yet taken down when non-complimentary to that POS who wanted to reopen human trafficking to the US?

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[–] Commoner 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

who let her in and why?

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[–] SayWhatNOWAY 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Lynch got her a visa, Pd for her to be put up in a house in NY, ect.. Lynch had her followed. HillPedo and her cohorts would have outed Trump long ago, if this was Trump's doing! You are wrong, Trump is not involved! Trump would not do anything illegal. Trump had more than enough Pedo shit on these MFkers to cook up a half baked scheme with 2 bit players!
There is no Art in this bogus deal!

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[–] Gilderoy [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

For whatever it's worth, Buzz Feed is reporting that Loretta Lynch did not grant Natalia a visa, and DHS has told BuzzFeed they granted her parole. (Trump had said he had heard that Lynch was responsible but also acknowledged he could be wrong about that.)

"In Sept. 2015, DHS paroled Natalia Veselnitskaya into the U.S. in concurrence with the U.S. Attorney's Office, Southern District of New York, allowing her to participate in a client’s legal proceedings," the Department of Homeland Security said in a statement to BuzzFeed News Thursday night. "Ms. Veselnitskaya was subsequently paroled into the U.S. several times between 2015 and 2016, ending in February 2016. In June 2016, she was issued a B1/B2 nonimmigrant visa by the U.S. Department of State," it said.

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[–] SayWhatNOWAY 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I don't know about Buzz Feed, but here is thisThomas Paine

@Thomas1774Paine

11h

EXCLUSIVE: Russian At Donald Trump Jr. Meeting Worked With FBI While Special Counsel Robert Mueller Was FBI Directortruepundit.com/russian-at-don…

https://www.conservativeinstitute.org/crime-criminal-justice/wikileaks-reveals-clinton-plan.htm

M'la @heifer109 Jul 15 SHOCKER. You Won't Believe Who Employed the "Former Soviet Counterintelligence Official" in Trump Meeting redstate.com/streiff/2017/0…

Lori Hendry @Lrihendry Jul 15 Obama Caught Secretly Meeting Russian ‘Lawyer’ Who Set-Up Don Jr, Look Who She Worked For madworldnews.com/obama-russian-… @DonaldJTrumpJr #MAGA pic.twitter.com/ACXKyoOQa6

🇺🇸🌟Dr.OLMO⭐🦅🇺🇸 @realDrOlmo Jul 14 This Russian "attorney" speaks English, she's just acting as if she only speaks Russian. freebeacon.com/politics/forme…

 Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸

@JackPosobiec Jul 12 Veselnitskaya tweeted "Congratulations Barack Obama" 1 month after meeting Don Jr twitter.com/kamerton_info/…

Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸 @JackPosobiec Jul 14 Breaking: Lynch Ordered Manafort’s Phone Tapped During Veselnitskaya Meeting medium.com/@JackPosobiec/…

@satin_silkn Jul 14 BREAKING: Russian So-Called "Spy" Who Works with DEMOCRATIC FUSION GPS was also at Trump Jr's Russian Lawyer Meeting thegatewaypundit.com/2017/07/breaki…

Drop The Charges! @Wikileaks_Lover Jul 13

Wikileaks #Podesta Email "We killed a Bloomberg story trying to link HRC's opposition to the Magnitsky bill..." wikileaks.org/podesta-emails…

pic.twitter.com/QuMiL9xcib http://madworldnews.com/obama-russian-lawyer-don-jr/

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[–] Gilderoy [S] 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

I'm not saying Trump is involved. Just pointing out that her agenda seems to align with his and that she wasn't actively working against him as many people say. No evidence of that.

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[–] Are_we_sure 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

There's no doubt she is pro Putin and pro Trump

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[–] Commoner 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

There is plenty of evidence that she was working with democrats.

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[–] Commoner 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Are you saying that she was not working for Lynch? Or she was not being used by Obama/Hillary/ Lynch to gain access to Trump Tower? Somewhere I read that the reason Bill met Lynch on the tarmac was to relay all the info they had ILLEGALLY, gathered on Trump, not for Bill to convince Lynch to protect Hillary from charges. That does make a whole lot more sense. The fix for Hillary was going to happen no matter what. Bill had no reason to try to persuade Lynch. She was giving him all the info they got from tapping Trump Tower. A visit by the Russians was the excuse they use to tap the Tower.

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[–] carmencita 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Oh My God, when will this ever end? I still see it on TV News every day. They are trying to get all they can out of this story. Thanks @Gilderoy for another wonderful and intriguing post. I don't know what to think anymore. I will hold off on my thoughts because this has me so darned confused. But don't worry, they will drag this out for another few weeks. More to come I am sure. UpVoat4U

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[–] DarkMath 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

"has me so darned confused"

Really? The MSM wouldn't be doing Putin's bidding after spending the past 9 months trying to blame Hillary's loss on Russian Hackers. The whole story is laughable and given the fact AreWeSure thinks she's working for Putin and is pro Trump is all the evidence you need to see through this charade.

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[–] Gilderoy [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Thank you, Carmencita! It's very confusing, but my hunch that Natalia could be our ally in the war against the pedophiles and globalists has been confirmed again and again over the last week.

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[–] Commoner 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

She may or may not be, but She is not the key, at least not now. The key is that she was either used or participated in a set up meeting with Trump.

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[–] Are_we_sure 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-trump-businessman-htmlstory.html

8th person in the Trump meeting named. He was previously named in a report on money laundering 17 years ago. He opened thousands of bank accounts for Russian businesses through which 1.4 billion flowed.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2000/11/29/business/laundering-of-money-seen-as-easy.html?referer=

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[–] Gilderoy [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Darn. So it wasn't our friend Andrei Nekrasov, the filmmaker? I do have a soft spot for him. Such a romantic figure.

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[–] DarkMath 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

"I'm going to stand with my hunch 8 days ago that Natalia is not a Deep State/Soros operative."

If she was working for Putin then the MSM wouldn't be using her and that meeting to bludgeon Trump Sr and Jr on a daily basis.

Right? You fail to address why the MSM would essentially be doing Putin's bidding which they obviously would never do.

There's a famous expression in the medical field: "If you hear hoof beats thinks Horses not Zebras.". That means the simplest and most likely explanation is almost always the correct one, i.e. Ocum's Razor. The simplest explanation that explains her story and frankly the past 9 months is Hillary & Co are, duh, trying to say the Russian's Hacked the election.

:-D

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[–] Gilderoy [S] 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

I'm not sure Occam's Razor applies when you're dealing with Russians. They're very tricksy, precious. Maybe I didn't make it clear enough, but William Browder and the Daily Beast's Michael Wyss mounted an offensive against Natalia and her allies, Rinat Akhmetshin and Andrei Nekrasov last May when she first appeared on the radar screen. They were suspicious from the get-go about her Russian adoption organization and followed her around very closely while she was in Washington. I would read Grassley's complaints if I were you. They are fascinating. Browder and his allies in the MSM didn't buy her act at all----probably because Browder knew she was involved in the Russian prosecution against him.

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[–] DarkMath 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

You need to explain why the MSM would all of a sudden imply Putin is out to sabotage Trump when they spent the last 9 months saying he was out to sabotage Killary.

:-D

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[–] Are_we_sure 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Where are you getting this from?

Could William Browder have provided guidance or counseling to Hillary from his own vast experience defrauding the Russian govt?.....Not saying any crimes were committed by anyone (except possibly William Browder while he was in Russia!)

Or this?

may have intended to use her pro-Russian adoption foundation as a way to lure possible pedophiles and traffickers into a trap

the Browder/Grassley coalition

Why do you think there is a coalition? Grassley seems to not have done anything about this last year, and this year is using this complaint to cast doubt on the motives of the Trump meeting.

This meeting involved all Pro Trump people. NV herself is quite close to the Russian Prosecutor General Yuri Chaika.

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[–] Gilderoy [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

NV herself is quite close to the Russian Prosecutor General Yuri Chaika.

Great information. Thanks! Is Chaika the "Crown Prosecutor" Rob Gladstone mentioned in his email to Donald Trump Jr?

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[–] Are_we_sure 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Yes. And the King of Kopromat.

The Master of ‘Kompromat’ Believed to Be Behind Trump Jr.’s Meeting

MOSCOW — The salacious video, of a naked man in bed with two women, was one of the most prominent examples of “kompromat,” the Russian art of spreading damaging information to discredit a rival or an enemy, in recent Russian history.

It was made available to Russian state television in the late 1990s and authenticated in public by Yuri Y. Chaika, Russia’s prosecutor general, who at 66 has a long and storied background in kompromat. Mr. Chaika benefited from the video, as it destroyed a predecessor as prosecutor general, Yuri I. Skuratov, who had been looking into suspicions of corruption by President Boris N. Yeltsin and his associates.

Mr. Chaika (pronounced CHIKE-uh) is also the man who is widely considered to have been the source of the incriminating information on Hillary Clinton that Donald Trump Jr. was promised at a meeting last June in Trump Tower with a Russian lawyer and a Russian-American lobbyist. And yet, oddly, the accusations brought to New York fell flat, by the accounts of those present, despite their having originated from such a seasoned master of kompromat.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/17/world/europe/russia-donald-trump-jr-kompromat-yuri-chaika.html?referer=