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[–] chris [S] 2 points -2 points (+0|-2) ago 

I believe pizzagate started as a complete hoax and used it used existing nonsense conspiracies that people already believed it online. The idea that elite pedophiles control governments predates pizzagate for a very long time. And the people who believe it aren't too strong on facts or rationality or logic. So I believe that the very beginning of pizzagate was started by people who knew that if they put out some clues/starter material. The conspiracy folks would run with it and make all sorts of connections.

See, I think there actually IS quite a bit of systematic abuse of children and pedophile rings, but I don't buy into pizzagate. If you watch the documentary on boys town (conspiracy of silence) or look into pedophilia in Hollywood, it's pretty clear it exists AT LEAST in niche and/or local groups. Not sold on the idea that there is a vast network tied into all politicians or that it's part of some underground network of mollock worshippers or whatever, though.

I think it's not rational to dismiss all conspiracy theories, especially now as quite a few have been outed in recent times, but there is definitely a fringe of conspiracy theories that are not based in facts at all.

I try to give pizzagate as much of a chance as I can, though (as evident in this post).

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[–] duhiki 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Do yourself a favor and pick up a book or three. John DeCamp's Franklin Cover Up - names national-level names partaking in the sex/drug courier ring, with a focus on the torture these kids endured. Conspiracy of Silence discusses about 45% of what's in the book; they left out a bunch of stuff. Cathy O'Brien's Trance Formation America - She delves into behind the scenes of the torture/Satanism as a child who endured it; she discusses the use of dentist chairs for torture/MKUltra purposes (ala Jeffrey Epstein). Both those books lay the foundation of Pizzagate as a continuation of horrific acts against children; the precedent has been set.

Question; what's your definition of "Pizzagate" because the mainstream definition is jacked on purpose by those controlling the media to give plausible deniability and to paint it as a lunatic's wet dream. But when one actually delves into the infamous instagram account of Alefantis, it raises some serious questions about his role in DC and how he garnered enough power and influence despite being a meager pizza slinger, to be counted among the 50 most powerful people in Washington. Especially when those photos include associating infants and toddlers to sexual connotations and money.

Brownstone Operations help keep politicians in line; put in compromising positions. This came out in public during a 1997 Senate Committee regarding radiation; some of those afflicted were also tortured with the government's okay, and their testimony taken.

https://imgoat.com/uploads/4173cb38f0/29112.png

Testimony: https://steemit.com/crime/@mandireiserra/mind-control-survivors-testimony-or-mk-ultra-and-pedogate-from-1995

Also take into consideration of Marc Dutroux, Belgium's child-kidnapping/raping/porn-making douchebag of the elites (who had seven houses; maybe it's my American mentality, but multiple homes are expensive with all them taxes/upkeep, so how'd he afford them all and still have time to kidnap and rape girls? Oh wait, he was paid to kidnap and rape girls.)

It's my (unpopular) opinion that the Mollach worship/Satanism ties into the MKUltra programming; used to torment kids and fracture their psyches, used to gather incriminating evidence of the elites participating to control them else evidence gets released, and said elites/politicians become fodder for legal issues and social pariahs/losing the life that enriched them with money and perversion. Plus, with a Satanism taint, it's easier for the masses to dismiss it rather than investigate it. That happened in the 80's with the Satanism "hysteria." Again, a precedent set.

These local groups are linked via those in control. Bring kids from outside areas to be trafficked, which means that the local populace doesn't get up in arms because it's not their kids. We saw this happen with the Franklin Cover Up/White House Call Boy scandal. Those "call boys" aka trafficked children, came from Nebraska to be used by DC elites at the fucking White House. When one looks at Tom Brokaw's report, we can see the propaganda line being towed; the legal focus was on credit cards being used to buy the rape of trafficked children, instead of focusing on the trafficked kids and those pimping them, because those people are assets ... when an asset gets busted, they either do little time and get on with their lives, or they are removed from the picture.

Research the CIA's modus operandi; it's very enlightening, and explains EVERYTHING. There's a reason school education covers certain aspects of how the American government works but utterly leaves out the CIA's role in it all. That is on purpose.

This link has an interview given by a former Forbes editor, explaining Mossad and the CIA's ties and shady things done.

https://steemit.com/crime/@mandireiserra/a-nasty-little-web-starring-hillary-clinton-vince-foster-and-robert-maxwell-special-guests-justice-scalia-sid-blumenthal-and

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[–] chris [S] 2 points -2 points (+0|-2) ago 

I explained elsewhere in this thread that I'm aware of all those incidents and am a proponent that these rings exist, I referenced conspiracy of silence early on in this thread.

I'm just talking about pizzagate right now though, as I think pizzagate is being used to discredit everything you just described.

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[–] Tanngrisnir 1 point 1 point (+2|-1) ago 

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[–] chris [S] 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

I'll have to brush up on those stratfor emails, ive read them before...but even so, as outlined in my OP, im not doubting the existinance of CP, cheese pizza or pizza going back to when 4chan created it. Not to mention strator is in the astroturfing business, of course someone there would be saavy enough to know the phrase CP

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[–] Are_we_sure ago 

I think it's not rational to dismiss all conspiracy theories, especially now as quite a few have been outed in recent times, but there is definitely a fringe of conspiracy theories that are not based in facts at all.

Name a few that have. Conspiracies certainly exist and are uncovered, but conspiracy theories specifically refer to commonly held beliefs that a conspiracy took place for which there is no evidence. The US mob worked with the Sicilian mafia to sell heroin out certain pizzerias was a conspiracy. And it wasn't predicted before hand. Comet Ping Pong is one of a series of Satanic pizzerias dealing in child-sex-trafficking and cannibalism throughout the US, including Brooklyn, Portland, San Francisco, Philadelphia and Ausian is a conspiracy theory.

That is conspiracy theories are supposed to be predictive. They are supposed to predict something that is not yet known. Conspiracy theories often popup AFTER an event to explain why something big happened. 9/11 conspiracies didn't take off when we invaded Afghanistan. They took off years later after we invaded Iraq when the politics made it seem more plausible. Though if 9/11 was an inside job done to justify the invasion of Iraq, why not make it look like Iraqis did it in the first place?

No Conspiracy theory has ever been proven correct.

No conspiracy theory has ever been proven true.

A less-elegant and wordier way to say this is that there has never been a popularly held conspiracy theory, ie, a non-evidenced belief that a group of powerful people secretly worked together to do something harmful, that later had compelling evidence to prove that said conspiracy was real.

Whenever I use this argument in social media, I’m invariably sent one of about half a dozen different internet listicles that attempt to prove me wrong by going through a number of conspiracies or conspiracy theories that were later proven to be real. One is a really long slog from Infowars. Another is from Cracked. There are still others from Listverse, Style Slides and True Activist.

What much of the content on these lists, as well as those who send them to me, get wrong on a pretty consistent basis is that there is a difference between a conspiracy and a conspiracy theory. Conspiracies are real, and many of them have been proven conclusively to have taken place at all times throughout history. Some of these include the conspiracy to assassinate Abraham Lincoln, the conspiracy to assassinate Adolf Hitler (the so-called July 20th plot), the conspiracy to throw the 1919 World Series, American tobacco companies conspiring to suppress scientific research that painted their products as harmful, and so on. All of these are real and none of them are theories.

Likewise, things like 9/11 being an inside job, JFK being shot by multiple gunmen, chemtrails, the existence of an all-powerful New World Order, FEMA camps and any number of banking and currency related plots are all conspiracy theories. That is to say, they are all theories that a conspiracy took place – and most have little to no evidence supporting those theories.

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[–] chris [S] ago 

You're just changing the meaning of conspiracy theory to suit your needs by removing theories with evidence, that makes no sense and that's not what the definition is. Of course conspiracy theories with no evidence usually don't turn out to be correct lol

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[–] DarkMath ago  (edited ago)

"and most have little to no evidence supporting those theories."

ROFLMAO. AreWeSure stop talking shit. There's a fuck ton of evidence 9/11 was an inside job.You refuse to acknowledge any of it.

@chris AreWeSure is a paid shill. He's what they call a "concern troll". Google it.

You can easily prove this yourself. All you have to do is ask AreWeSure the right type of question. For example regarding 9/11 ask him these types of questions:

Is there ANY evidence that 9/11 was an inside job?

Is there ANY evidence that building 7 was a controlled demolition? (It was.)

Another way is ask him about Clinton Cash.

Is there ANY evidence Hillary broke the law with respect to the Clinton Foundation?

Is there ANY evidence that the Foundation's CEO, Eric Braverman, quit because he detected charity fraud? (He did.

Etc etc.......ad infinitum

An objective person with no shill bias would acknowledge at least something. Just in that WTC demolition post where I list the top 10 pieces of evidence surely you could acknowledge at least ONE is legitimate. The Larry Silverstein evidence is unassailable.

What you'll find though is AreWeSure won't acknowledge ANY evidence as legitimate. It's pure insanity. No one is ever 100% sure of 100% of everything.........except the AreWeSure brothers. They are 100% sure no one working for Clinton & Co committed any crime ever in the history of the universe. Ditto for 9/11.

Doubt me? Go ahead try asking him yourself.

:-D

@AreWeSure @are_we__sure @RweSure