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[–] carmencita 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

What do people know about Hatch and this guy Tom Ballard? I have read on here before about Utah being involved in a lot of the trafficking and also Mormons. This just does not sit right with me, but I don't know why. It kind of reminds me of John McCain and Ashton Kutcher and Thorne. It makes me feel queasy.

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[–] Votescam 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Exactly what I was going to say. Hatch is very right wing and an underwear-wearing Mormon.

It does make me wonder, as well, because this looks like a new "War" on trafficking which could turn out to be just like the War on Cancer and the War on Drugs ... where the "cures" never come, the problems are only enlarged and we get more of the Cancer and more of the Drug dealing.

Let's also remember that the US government got a lot of help in its genocide versus the native Americans from the Mormon Church and Catholic Church who ran "Church schools" for the US government who kidnapped children of natives in order to destroy their culture and families.

They were herded into these "Church schools" where they were forbidden to speak in their own language, their braids cut and their clothing changed to Western European. They were beaten and murdered and of course sexually abused. And it seems that is still going on in both of those churches.

It also concerns me because we see over and again that the heads of organizations are usually corrupt and there to keep cover ups going.

Don't like this at all....

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[–] carmencita 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

There is much to come that we will not like. The exposure of the Secret Societies is one. It goes far beyond Soros and his Society. I am no longer believing that they are just sick. They are doing this as you say for a higher purpose. To control us and a certain outcome. Their agenda. That is what I don't like. But we now are becoming aware and that is a good thing.

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[–] Fatsack ago  (edited ago)

Utah here. It is a very conservative state except for salt lake city which is centrist/liberal. The church is a cult and church leaders hold a lot of sway over those who voluntarily subject themselves to that unneccessary power hierarchy. Although the church zealotry and bubble has been dying pretty quickly since the internet became popular. I don't know about the highest levels of the church, or Orrin Hatch (don't trust anyone in government that long), but most Utahns and mormons are generally sex-phobic in general, much less pedophilia. I went on tons of scouting events and what not and never saw anything sketchy. Most mormon utahns are good decent people, just really naieve and way too trusting. They lack the imagination to believe people are capable of truly evil shit. Making them perfect victims. Most of the degenerates in Utah are ex-mormons who swung the pendulum WAY too far the other way. Like when you tell kids marijuana is lethal, than they try it, see that you lied, and assume you lied about heroin and shit, and become H-junkies.

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[–] Coloradical2 ago 

I was thinkinking the same thing. This quote is from Orrin Hatch. I'm almost positive Cathy O'Brien talks about him in Trance-Formation of America as not being one of the good guys.

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[–] carmencita ago 

Wow. Thanks for reminding me of that! Cathy O'Brien, Yes. If she mentioned him being involved in anything at all as part of her horrible memories, then he is one of the perverted vermin that we cannot trust. Another John McCain to be sure.