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[–] icuntstopswearing 0 points 23 points (+23|-0) ago 

We've got a proper lawyer. We've got the circumstantial evidence to force some sort of enquiry. All on board?

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[–] jstayz44 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Hell yeah!

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[–] reasonedandinformed 0 points 21 points (+21|-0) ago 

These tweets/threads are helpful if you follow them: https://twitter.com/ObamaTruth1/status/867833392347402241

  • From the beginning, all evidence pointed to Seth Rich as a leaker, yet the story immediately was shifted to a "hack" by Russia. The intelligence agencies eventually latched onto this claim...but the FBI was NEVER even allowed to look at the DNC server. The DNC server was looked at by Crowdstrike, paid for by the DNC and with heavy connections to Hillary. They had strong motives to cover for the leak by Rich (motive for murder) and to point to Russia (a meme to attack Trump). All circumstantial behavior around this is very suspect.
  • No one has pursued what Podesta meant when he wrote https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/36082: "I'm definitely for making an example of a suspected leaker." No one has ever asked what he meant by this...but Seth Rich was murdered after this. The leaks spanned from January 2015 through late May 2016, so the timing of the leaks is in synch with Podesta's email threat (http://heavy.com/news/2017/05/seth-rich-evidence-wikileaks-police-report-document-dnc-staffer-homicide-conspiracy-theory/)))))))). It reminds me of what happened to Breitbart after his famous tweet about Podesta): http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/28/andrew-breitbart-tweet-before-death-adds-fuel-to-o/
  • The behavior of the parents is not consistent with what anyone would expect...fighting ANY leads that would point to his murder for leaking the DNC emails. We receive this indirectly from a PR guy who was hired/paid for by the DNC, so it is not clear if the Rich family believes in this lie that all such leads are politically-motivated.
  • Why would the FBI NOT have insisted to see the server and analyze it directly? The claim, which has been inflated to the highest levels, that the Russians "hacked" the servers to rig our election are so serious, they would have needed to investigate the server for national security reasons but chose to let a firm with strong political ties to the DNC/Hillary do this work. The work itself has been found to be shoddy...and most recently, exposed for potential fraud: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/6d9xcm/breaking_ive_found_evidence_that_the_dnc/
  • The DC police claimed it was a botched robbery, yet nothing was stolen (wallet, expensive watch/jewely, smartphone, keys). There is no support for this theory. There is huge circumstantial evidence that Rich was the DNC leaker, which provides motive. There are many inconsistencies in the stories that emerged from the shooting...that ShotSpotter was used to detect it initially...then this was denied...and more recently, the idea that a silencer was used (which would make the ShotSpotter source not possible since it relies on the sound of the gunshots). All three bodycams lost/did not have footage, which is a statistical impossibility given normal failure rates of these devices. The police also seem to have lost his laptop.
  • The reports from doctors/medical staff who worked on Seth Rich are not consistent with him dying that morning. This has been documented in several posts on Voat, in which medical personnel who personally worked on Seth indicated that he was in stable condition.
  • The DC Police have hidden virtually any findings/evidence of the crime and are treating it like it is under a gag order, but no one has been arrested or even identified as a suspect. You would expect them to welcome help from the public in finding the murderers.
  • The media, as well as the DNC, have gone apoplectic oveer the idea that his murder was tied to the DNC leaks. They claim that this has been debunked, but there has been zero evidence debunking this. Why such a fight against this theory and line of inquiry? They even came out today with a theory that KimDotCom, who is a very credible go-between in leaking to Wikileaks, may have PLANTED fake evidence that Seth Rich was the leaker. They are making this claim before he even reveals the evidence that he has. I have never seen such behavior.
  • What about the suspicious death of Shawn Lucas, investigating DNC voter fraud, soon after he served the DNC with papers about a lawsuit (http://heavy.com/news/2017/05/seth-rich-evidence-wikileaks-police-report-document-dnc-staffer-homicide-conspiracy-theory/))))))))? The LSM just ignores all of these connections.
  • We should do a FOIA request on all evidence/reports related to the crime (from the police, hospital, laptop evidence, gunshot evidence, the bruising on the hands - there should be DNA evidence from this if he punched the murderers, how it is known that there were two assailants, footage from other cameras in the area,...can the guns be traced, etc.).

The Seth Rich murder could expose so much, especially since it ties to the massive Russia hacking lie and would expose this and related lies/collusion involving the Dems and LSM. Thanks for the work on this!

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[–] Viridia 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Unfortunately, any info that came from an anonymous 4chan poster is unusable until there is evidence to prove their claims. That means at least two of the points you listed are out (for now, at least):

  • The silencer being used in the shooting.

  • The reports from the medical staff.

Also, Kim Dotcom's claims are still unproven, but since his identity is actually attached to the them, the claims have the potential to be validated if/when he provides evidence to back them.

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[–] Pizzalawyer 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Dark Math, why are you talking about the FBI? For the time being this case is a plain vanilla homicide from a jurisdictional point of view. The Metro police are to handle the investigation and make arrests, not the FBI. That said, I agree with everything the OP has discussed.

More importantly there are some big wigs taking an interest in this case. It is vitally important that if we want to help out, we need to present our findings in an organized fashion wherein the evidence has merit as evidence and not speculation. AnonOpenPress is probably the best Pizzagater up to the task. Perhaps a new post can be created styled Summary of Seth Rich Murder Evidence.

Edit: The FBI would have jurisdiction over the possible hacking of the emails by the Russians. Proof that Seth was the leaker would pretty much take care of that problem. On the other hand if there was analysis of the Committees computers by the FBI as part of the Russian probe, then Seth's involvement may be uncovered. So there is dual jurisdiction depending on the crime being investigated, a cyber crime versus homicide.

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[–] lawyer4justice [S] 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

VERY important to remember who has jurisdiction right now. If it really is just a random attempt robbery/murder then the FBI shouldn't be touching it. If FBI is getting involved, that is telling of something going on outside the MPD jurisdiction.

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[–] DarkMath 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

"this case is a plain vanilla homicide from a jurisdictional point of view."

This isn't a plain vanilla homicide case. The Seth Rich murder case is the Golden Thread that will unravel the entire monolithic clown fraud. Think of one of those threads on a giant bag of pet food or charcoal If you go at it right the entire bag opens up by itself practically.

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[–] Pizzalawyer 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

you didn't read my post thoroughly, it remains a plain vanilla homicide from a jurisdictional point of view, from a political point of view a whole different animal I agree but for now only the MPD has jurisdiction. Neither your rants nor witticisms will change that.

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[–] YingYangMom 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

To ping Dark Math you need to do it this way @DarkMath

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[–] Pizzalawyer 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Thanks, I'm learning a little bit more day by day or should I say week by week.I'm a very slow learner,, still haven't figured out the email on my new phone. Thanks again.

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[–] reasonedandinformed 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

The FBI has never actually looked at the DNC servers. They were denied access to them by the DNC. That fact alone speaks volumes about the nature of the leak to WikiLeaks and the claim by our Intel agencies about the Russians hacked The servers. Our intelligence these are basically operating off of hearsay, with the source being Crowdstrike, the firm paid for by the DNC with political motives.

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[–] Blacksmith21 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Point 1: I agree with another poster - this should be MPD jurisdiction. There was no crime on any Federal property. Hell, they have 300 of those per year on the other side of the river. Unless the Federal government could present reason to take over a "botched robbery", this is all MPD. I've confirmed this with contacts in MPD.

Point 2: Everyone keeps chanting this mantra of "Seth Rich" being the string to unravel the sweater - whatever it is now pizza, pedo, NWOgate...

The fact is, this really is the Achilles (pun intended) heel of the case. We need another map showing the relations between Rich, his family, Bauman, Brock, Alefantis, and by default Podesta. Hell Podesta is tied in through the hospital.

This is another fresh opportunity to capitalize on. And this one is much harder to refute - "Young Midwestern DNC Staffer Seth Rich Killed by Family Connections". - There is enough evidence, in the form of named sources and printed sources to close the loop now with a little more digging.

Unfortunately, I do not have the resources. If someone can put together a "meme", I prefer infographic, that may make the connection for a lot of people.

Point 3: The mock/moot court exercise is very important. If people stay on topic and use the basics of Roberts Rules of Order, this "exercise" can serve as the basis of opening up a real case. Just as finding evidence of a crime on Facebook or any other social media, if we are able to prove by "legal" and solid evidence (-iary?) practices, what gets laid out here can be used as the basis to open an inquiry, grand jury, etc. [I may bot be spot on in my legal terminology but I hope everyone gets the concept] ** If done right, what we do in this moot court can serve as evidence to be used in the opening of an official investigation. ** [If I am wrong, please correct me and tell me why]

Point 4: There may be some merit in figuring out how to loop all of this shit and land it back in JA's lap. He's so fucking happy to be out of the news these days he had the balls to write the POS op-ed a couple weeks back. Let's figure out a way to leverage this so the light shines back on his reptile ass again.

Point 5: Want a force multiplier? Take 10-20 dedicated people in the DMV willing to distribute a WHO KILLED SETH RICH (w/ the map on the back) 4"x6" card all over the area. Locals know where they need to be dropped. Put out 10,000 cards over the next month around Capitol Hill, K St, Kalorama, JA's hood....someone will crack. Guarantee in this environment, it will make someone kirk out and do something that helps break the case open further.

Point 6: They killed Roger Ailes, spooked Hannity, and countless others. They are pulling out all the stops on this one. They need to be fought with what they can't defend against - guerilla marketing/PR warfare. This cannot all be done online. They will beat us at every turn. Get those flyers, cards, postcards, handbills, whatever....raise awareness. People will believe something in print more than online more anyhow these days...

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[–] lawyer4justice [S] 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

This is important because if someone can put together a document that creates probable cause, then MPD will have to respond (not legally, but in the court of public opinion). If they don't respond, or they respond but find no probable cause, then you keep piling on evidence or gathering legal scholars who agree that it is PC to show that MPD have an ulterior motive. then you go up the chain of oversight. Doing this also brings attention to the ultimate issue.

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[–] MysticMa 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I saw this but don't have a twit account. WE DEMAND JUSTICE Everyone who does have twitter could storm this all over. Pretty much Spot ON!!! OAN is also on this as well REWARD is up to $245K

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[–] lawyer4justice [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Also, filing detectives are much more willing to file if someone does their work for them, haha.

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[–] Blacksmith21 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Think about having the equivalent of a deposition/indictment with complete facts and citations. Maybe 20 pages, in a legal format. Printing is cheap.

If someone is seriously thinking about doing this, contact me via PM. I have some ideas, but they are worthless in a public forum. Things can be done.

Again, I wish I were in a better position to assist. I can only help in words.

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[–] privatepizza 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

If you feel there is enough 'probable cause' information from the posts here (and hopefully more will arrive), if you were to advise us on what you think best points to include, and the format etc, I'm sure some of us would manage to put the filing document together. ie whatever help you need we could provide it.

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[–] Unreasonable 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Billboards, flying billboards, flyers, mailers, etc..

This is our chance voat goats!

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[–] Jobew1 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

the real way to blow things open, legally, is a civil wrongful death case - but you need a familial relation for standing. all you need is an attorney who's brave enough to file, then you have some legal tools (like discovery) at your disposal, and also three's a lawsuit of public record that cannot be (totally) killed by the MSM (until a judge blows it out on motion -- but then you can appeal). besides, wrongful death, perhaps there's some other creative civil remedy to invoke on behalf of citizenry generally (or at least a non family member)? OP, if you are barred in D.C. maybe you could be that guy

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[–] lawyer4justice [S] 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Direct vs circumstantial evidence: Direct - I saw it rain. Circumstantial - i dont see it rain, however, i can infer that it rained from the facts. guy walks in with wet umbrella, forecast calls for rain, no other water sources near by. Legally, both are weighted equally.

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[–] UglyTruth 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Direct evidence is unequivocal, circumstantial evidence is open to interpretation, and interpretations vary. Re your example, weather forecasts are not 100% accurate and the wet umbrella could be due to the guy getting splashed by a car driving through a puddle. At common law inferences must be consistent with reason, but civil law suffers from political reasoning, i.e. picking the argument which bests supports the desired conclusion.

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[–] lawyer4justice [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Direct evidence has its pitfalls, too. With direct it is all based on whether you believe the speaker. Circumstantial is what it is, your interpretation can be different , though. Just remember, DNA is merely.circumstantial.

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[–] lawyer4justice [S] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I would FOIA the hospital he was taken to (normally included in reports, but not weird if it isn't), and the physician that pronounced him dead.

I would somehow attempt to get the names of the doctors working that night from the hospital.

Hospitals can be weird because of HIPAA, but that information isn't subject to it.

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[–] Millennial_Falcon [M] 2 points 3 points (+5|-2) ago  (edited ago)

OP, please add a relevant link of some kind. All posts require at least one link. For example, you can include a web page explaining the legal standard for probable cause. Thanks.

Flairing your post as important.

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[–] lawyer4justice [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Thank you for the heads up. Added....

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