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[–] 42times5 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

There is an event happening in the UK right now involving a lady called Samantha Baldwin that comes to mind when I read this.

This lady ran with her two sons after the allegations made by the boys, 2 years ago, of serious serial abuse and SRA (if initial reports from friends are accurte) against their well-connected father (think Ricky Dearman) were ignored by the police. They ignored them to the extent that they initially refused to conduct blood tests and physical examinations. The boys had been both drugged and one had an STD.

The press began reporting on the story and when the tide of public opinion began to turn they issued gagging orders. These are still in force.

This has all the hallmarks of Hamstead children claims.

Facebook, Twitter - #justice4sam #openfamilycourt #justice4s

There is a petition and a fund raiser for her legal fees.

She is *currently imprisoned and her sons have been placed with foster carers. She had not been allowed contact with her family last I knew. *Out on bail according to attached article.

http://m.nottinghampost.com/samantha-baldwin-petition-signed-by-more-than-15-000-people-in-less-than-24-hours/story-30256008-detail/story.html

Haven't seen this posted before.

Not directly relevant but we may be able to help.

The Judge on the case, Jeremy Lea, is chairman of trustees of a Catholic (I think) adoption agency. Not much of a conflict of interest! It's called 'Faith in Families'.

This shit is everywhere. 😔

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[–] equineluvr 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago  (edited ago)

You know what they say --- "Everyone has an opinion and an asshole."

Many OTHER investigators, including the former lead detective on the case (who was subsequently removed in the wake of pressure from the British government) -- believe that she died there in the Portugal apartment. Those investigators include the Forensics Linguistics (statement analysis) expert Peter Hyatt . His analysis found an embedded confession in the McCann's statements.

McCann info begins at about 30 minutes

Embedded Confession in McCann's Statements

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[–] Jobew1 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

what seems most supportive of her being dead and the parents likely involved is the multiple cadaver hits by dogs and the almost nonsensical explanations for the same by the parents. this was written up in a detailed article appearing on v/pg just the other day. in light of other info, i wouldn't doubt some type of pedo ring coulda been involved with the death being accidental etc but the cadaver dog info is hard to get around (unless someone can show that info is false or likely false0

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[–] Jakestr 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

This interview always irked me. And this analysis really helps me understand my instinctual reaction to this interview. It's amazing how much your gut feeling can tell you.

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[–] Votescam 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

This can also be viewed as the usual and regular slander of the parents/victims which must be considered.

Remember ALL of the evidence against the mother whose baby girl in Australia was taken by a dingo which was proven only after she had served time in prison. The child's sweater with dingo saliva on it was finally found proving without doubt what had happened to the child. Yet, repeated -- over and over again -- the mother was smeared by this fake "evidence."

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[–] damnittohell 2 points -1 points (+1|-2) ago 

Polygraphs are completely bogus.

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[–] equineluvr 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Forensic Linguistics DOES NOT evaluate polygraph statements.

You should watch the video; it's interesting.

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[–] 3141592653 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

About 70% accuracy rate

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[–] Pablolove 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

There's real physical evidence to suggest the kid died in the apartment. Not sure why the guy's coming out with this. Whatever's happened feel so sorry for the wee lassie.

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[–] neurofluxation 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

Former Detective Inspector Dave Edgar, 60, is convinced Kate and Gerry McCann were not involved

Can we have some citations on why there were failed paternity tests from Gerry then? Or perhaps why he was caught laughing and "getting into character" on camera shortly after the abduction...?

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[–] Votescam 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Where is any evidence of this? source?

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[–] neurofluxation 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I'm on mobile, but it's a two minute Google search away...

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[–] LoPhatt 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

While I understand the issues with the coloboma, the evidence apparently is pretty strong that she's dead. Now, what I've read could be wrong, but it looks pretty solid. If you believe that the dogs they used have a terrific track record, its pretty hard to deny that she didn't die in the apartment.

There are also several serious anomalies with the various story lines. One, for example, has Gerry McCann (or his doppelgänger) carrying what appears to be a sleeping (?) child toward the beach sometime after the disappearance.

I don't deny the connections, and its fun to speculate about how they are all intertwined, but it really looks as if she's gone.

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[–] NagaJolokia 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I have worked with cadaver dogs and they are trained to find a nonspecific hit on human remains so they can't find any specific individual. It's just a general hit just throwing that out there...

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[–] LoPhatt 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Yes, their point was that, allegedly, no one else had died in that area. The descriptions of the dogs (one cadaver dog and another, blood hound), was very good. It was not exaggerated or fanciful. Apparently, the two British dogs in question are used a good deal. They indicated, separately, on the same spots. The spots are places where Maddie would have been with her parents.

I didn't have a dog in this fight (no pun intended), but they largely convinced me. There is definitely something wrong and it goes beyond the dogs. Neither the actions nor the testimony make sense. The reason I mention the dogs is that one would have to dismiss their findings to claim that she was abducted. In fact, "abduction" was a meme began by the mother.

There had previously been at least one instance of the girl running away and hiding. Why would the mother after encountering that already immediately jump to "abduction"? Any alternate theories were discredited, some prematurely. It seems that the local police were right to be suspicious.

There are also many political connections, both in the UK and US. I find that odd. Of the two, the US is more apt to place physicians on a pedestal. While doctors certainly acquire respect in the UK, they are not "worshipped" as they are in the US. That is, no doubt, due to decades of AMA propaganda.

So, all to the anomalies could still be consistent with an abduction if the "cadaverine" smell were absent, also the human blood smell. You may note that I stated in my comment that "if the dog evidence can be believed" (or words to that affect), it appears she was killed. My understanding was, and still is, that she would be worth more alive than dead.

It does not follow that, If she were to be used for some medical purpose, they would kill her at the location of her disappearance. There is, however, the possibility that they overdosed her. They both seem very odd and cold. Some of the mother's statements seem as odd as that goofy grandmother friend of Podesta's.

If I had to play lay psychologist (and I do), I'd say it struck me as what happens when a psychopath pretends to feel empathy. They think they're giving a stunning performance. That's because they haven't a clue as to how a normal person feels or acts.

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[–] evademoney2 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Well If The Parents Polygraph Would Happen, Then Things Could Be Narrowed Down I suppose. Active Petition By Public Right? Due To Large Amount Of Funds Allocated To Investigation.

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[–] damnittohell 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Polygraphs are based on complete junk science.

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[–] equineluvr 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Agreed.

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[–] equineluvr 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Here in the U.S., polygraph results are not admissable in court so a suspect cannot be compelled to undergo one EXCEPT in certain sexual abuse and parole violation (already convicted) cases.

It turns out that that is true in the UK as well:

Special Circumstances

"In many parts of the US, and as Express reports, also now in the UK, one instance where someone can be forced to take a polygraph is for sex offenders and parole violators. These already convicted criminals sometimes must submit to a polygraph in efforts to put their reform to the ultimate test, sending them back to jail if they fail or crack under the pressure and reveal that they have not followed their parole guidelines."

https://www.ukliedetectortest.co.uk/polygraphs/lie-detector-court/

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