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[–] carmencita 2 points 94 points (+96|-2) ago 

I find this so very sad. No one should have to be exposed, Member or Mod. Yesterday I decided I will no longer respond or comment to shills. I am down voating them, and moving on. We are prolonging their stay and engaging them in fruitless arguments that lead no where, except wasting our time. This is their purpose. Keeping us from doing research is a win win for them.

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[–] Takeitslow 1 points 37 points (+38|-1) ago 

Don't feed the trolls feed the kids. Downvoat and move on.

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[–] carmencita 2 points 17 points (+19|-2) ago 

Yes Yes Yes and Yes. CTR Share Blue and Racists are all Trolling and Shadowing Us. The Cold Shoulder Treatment is the Best Option.

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[–] crashing_this_thread 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

Calling them out never hurts though. Just don't stick around and let them waste your time further.

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[–] carmencita 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

You are right about that, but I got into a comment battle a while ago and I was chased for a while even when I stopped commenting. I have been down voated because of it as well.

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[–] huhWHAThuh 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago 1918-1956

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[–] Votescam 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Agreed -- good policy -- down vote and move on.

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[–] carmencita 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Yes, that will be my policy. When I answer and respond, many times I am chased for days.

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[–] edblings 1 points 66 points (+67|-1) ago 

fuck that buy a gun

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[–] Andalusian1 5 points 31 points (+36|-5) ago 

This. Backing down shows you're weak. no offence OP but it's true. Be alpha male and defend your homestead. Don't let them scare you off... if it's worth fighting for, if it's real, you'll realize the scare tactics and stand your ground rather than backing away.

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[–] abortionburger [S] 4 points 43 points (+47|-4) ago 

I waffled for a few days on this. It's causing me a lot of stress and paranoia, and ultimately I decided that it's best for my mental well being and family if this all just stops.

[–] [deleted] 1 points 9 points (+10|-1) ago  (edited ago)

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[–] [deleted] 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago  (edited ago)

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[–] ThorTheWonderful 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

We're not dealing with people like the mafia crack heads where theres relatively little threat compared to government pedophiles.

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[–] dookiehowzer 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Buy 2 guns :)

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[–] Cigarette5mokingman 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Agreed. Don't back down. Buy a gun. Be a man.

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[–] Touchdown50 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

I agree. Mossberg with multiple slug Rounds works for me .

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[–] Lonesome_Pizza 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Don't forget to buy a bulletproof vest and a ballistic helmet. Barricade all entrances to your home at night, be aware of your surroundings and never let your guard down, suspicious of everybody.

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[–] AxolotlThanksaLotl 10 points 47 points (+57|-10) ago  (edited ago)

This is another reason the blatantly anti-Jewish, pro-Hitler comments need to be removed and the users banned. Not only because it makes this sub extremely hard to show average people, but because I feel like a huge number of those users are paid disruptors, who are taking advantage of many Voat users /pol/-like leanings as well as Voat's openness. I get that censoring too much on this sub is bad, but letting people who completely detract from the main focus of this sub to talk about how horrible Jews are, how the holocaust wasn't real, and also stuff like how gay people are all pedos, etc, is not doing any good and is more likely than not letting shills run free. IMO stuff that is purposefully inflammatory and not even related to pizzagate should be removed (and no, talking about how Jews are taking over the world is NOT related to pizzagate - if someone involved in pizzagate is jewish and that's actually relevant to the investigation, then by all means talk about it, but otherwise, there's no point bringing that kind of discussion here).

I've really hoped this sub would get tougher on moderation, because there are lots of people I'd like to share this sub with, but absolutely can't in its current state without doing more harm than good. I don't care what the mods views are or what the users views are - there are plenty other places you can go to talk about that stuff, this sub should be pizzagate related only and should be welcoming as many people as possible, from all different backgrounds, because getting as many people to know about this as possible is one of the points of this sub in the first place, but the one it's failing at the most.

Anything like the kind of stuff 'Jewburger' was writing should be removed, and the user banned after repeat offenses. I'm glad that their comments were removed, but users like them are allowed to roam free for far too long, until they stir up enough trouble to actually cause real damage.

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[–] abortionburger [S, M] 2 points 27 points (+29|-2) ago 

Check the banned users in the sidebar. We ban probably 10 alts of his a day. Apparently there is no method to IP ban on Voat right now.

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[–] meowski 4 points 7 points (+11|-4) ago 

Banning trolls is critical to the success of voat. Its a difficult problem, IP range banning might be the only practical solution. Also make the user register with a new email each time and lock the email permanently

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[–] AxolotlThanksaLotl 4 points 6 points (+10|-4) ago 

That sucks, but I'm glad that the moderation team does take a stand against users like that, so thank you for what you're doing. Does the mod team have any policy on comments and submissions, because there are many inflammatory submissions that invite and encourage those kinds of users and comments, and are the kind of submissions that definitely prevent me, and a lot of other people I think, from actually sharing this sub with anyone. For example, a submission on the front page right now, "Seattle's Homosexual Mayor Accused of Molesting 3 Teenage Boys" is not necessarily a bad thing to share, the problem is how it's presented. E.g. the OP is basically saying that gay people are pedophiles instead of just presenting the evidence in an unbiased way, and that in turn is welcoming in extremely homophobic comments that aren't actually helping this investigation or on topic. If I came to this sub right now without knowing anything about pizzagate, it would be harder than it should be to totally dispel the idea that's pushed that pizzagate is a right-wing conspiracy, just based on what I would see on the front page. And if I was a shill, I would definitely take advantage of that and try and help perpetrate that idea by posting stuff like 'Jews are all evil', 'gay people are all pedos', etc.

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[–] Catchthem 2 points 5 points (+7|-2) ago 

Omg schocked and sad to read this.. abortionburger Thanks for your work in this very important investigation. If this is what you need to do.. You have done your part. Take care. Thanks again!

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[–] Votescam 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Wow -- that should be fixed right away as there certainly should be a way to BAN the poster.

This sick garbage is effecting the entire board -- no one wants to have to deal with these sick posts over and again.

Hurry up with the IP ban because if this poster gets the idea that he can threaten and get his way, he'll continue on with it.

There's no place else on the internet where he could get away with these sick posts without being banned immediately.

Voat: PLEASE keep removing posts by this poster -- and permanently ban the poster.

Thank you --

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[–] V____Z 7 points 13 points (+20|-7) ago 

Last night there was a post about how to lure and kill Jew pedos... It remained up for at least 2.5 hours last I checked. I agree the moderation needs to get serious about this very sudden anti Jew influx. Enough is enough.

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[–] Antonius 1 points 10 points (+11|-1) ago 

Don't you understand...they are using the Jew angle to work on normal people's emotions. Don't let it bug you. I just move on to rational topics.

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[–] Death2Masons 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago  (edited ago)

The mods are terrible IMO and I have told them as much. They have given 100% false excuses for deleting some of my post while they left obvious shill post up. Then they banned me for reposting while clearly showing the links that supported my assertions. They then used the excuse that I was spamming. Bottom line, they shut down every thread I had made making a case that Trump was not investigating this and was obviously part of the club. Tons of links supporting my case. This was before it was obvious to people now after the Syria attacks. Good riddance to any mod that wants to leave, and I wish we could chose our mods.

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[–] AxolotlThanksaLotl 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

The thing is, something like that is probably one of two things. It's either 1. A voat user who really doesn't care about investigating or staying on topic, but is rather using this sub in the same way many people use /pol/ (not including the people who are doing actual investigation on /pol/). 2. A paid detractor

In either case, both are harmful and not contributing to anything. Unfortunately, I don't think it's something that's going to change. I've been hoping it would for months now, but it's just gotten worse. Between Voat's extreme anti-censorship policy that doesn't even allow IP banning (something that even 4chan does), and the attitude of users and, if not mods, people directly involved with mods, (like user kevdude - who said in no uncertain terms that things aren't changing), that sort of thing will continue. I hope that this sub still manages to do some good investigation, despite all the off-topic inflammatory stuff, but I definitely won't be sharing this sub or talking about it to anyone I know, and I unfortunately, I hope other people don't come here, because they'll more likely than not get the idea that pizzagate is a right-wing conspiracy (looking at some of the comments/submissions even on the front page, that's sadly pretty understandable). I hope there are other places people can go to get this information, places a little more impartial.

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[–] 8723189? 5 points -1 points (+4|-5) ago 

People have been calling out the jew for PG since day fucking one. Literally, t_d was full of "((()))" when the podesta emails came out and it was worse on here. This is NOT a new thing, like you have been saying for last few days. You have an agenda of shielding the jew from these crimes. Us patriots wont let you succeed.

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[–] JunOS 7 points 6 points (+13|-7) ago 

You want to ban jew and hitler mentioning comments in a sub thats topic of choice is reasearching/prooving pedophelia?

Riiiiight.

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[–] druhill007 2 points -2 points (+0|-2) ago 

issue is precision of semantics. not all jews are global cabal pedes. if you aren't precise it provides opportunity for defense. SHIELD = anti-semitism -> nazi

don't give them the opportunity to have defense and use more precise term.(like zionist)

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[–] CeepsNo 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

Supposing you started banning mentioning of Jewish involvement in a pizzagate post would give the enemy an easy way to defend themselves from scrutiny, wouldn't it?

You shouldn't be so quick to censor. I shouldn't have to point out to you that this could easily part of a 3 part plan to 1) Create a need for more moderation / censorship 2) Oust a mod trying to do the right thing 3) Replace them with a pedo who will fuck things up They exploit your ideas about "The most parsimonious explanation" if you think it's just an unhinged individual and not part of the above plot.

Mods have a difficult line to walk, but its partially their fault if they get doxxed. They should know what they are getting into. They are of course going to be targeted with links trying to reveal who they are, people are going to search for social media posts related to them, reverse image on their profile pics, usernames, emails, any unique identifiers.

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[–] Tanngrisnir 0 points 27 points (+27|-0) ago 

Thanks for all the hard work, Abortionburger. I'm sorry that this had to happen.

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[–] polyb1123 1 points 23 points (+24|-1) ago 

Be careful AB, this is probably the best solution. As a forum linger-er I'd like to suggest the following:

To understand what kinds of monsters we are really dealing with we must have some knowledge of what it is we are trying to understand. 'Know your enemy' is the cliche'. So with regard to PG we are actually talking about a subset of a more general group. In short we are dealing with the clinical psychopath and sociopath, in all of its manifest possibilties. I'm confident that if we subjected the so called world leaders to the battery of tests to identify psycho-sociopathic characteristics we would probably find a large swath would not only test positive across the spectrum of degree but there would also be a lot of really high scores and probably plenty of clinical positives.

Keeping this in mind we always need to be on gaurd or vigilant. Please realize there are some insane things going on in society and for the 'normal' human being none of it makes sense because they are not clinical psycho-sociopaths, ie their brains are working for the most part. It is incumbent upon all of us to realize: 1) Our society is literally sociopathically structured and in a respect we're almost all afflicted to one degree or another. 2) Society is being ruled by psycho-sociopaths. This does go a long way to understanding the insanity of the world. 3) Though it is nearly impossible for a healthy human to undertand the psycho-sociopath it is possible to identify them as difficult as it is. 4) This infliction upon our species is independent of demograph. Clinical psycho-sociopaths are found equally in all populations. 5) Educate yourself and everyone you can, per the usual protocol. I suggest the following documentary as a good start!

I am FishHead(2011) https://youtu.be/TB0k7wBzXPYYouTube http://www.fisheadmovie.com/

If I'm not mistaken and as others have suggested in a multitude ways that this has been going on for a long time!

For a more indepth investigation into our divided brain I suggest looking into the work of Iain McGilchrist even though it is a broader context that doesnt directly deal with mental pathologies. http://iainmcgilchrist.com/

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[–] VFoster93 1 points 12 points (+13|-1) ago  (edited ago)

polyb1123, yours is an excellent analysis. Can't upvote it because I'm new.

Have you ever read about 'ponerology', the study of evil? I read of it on Laura Knight-Jaszick's SOTT website. Pedophilia has to be among the worst of evil sin/crimes. I've no mercy for the pedos.

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[–] 9217 1 points 20 points (+21|-1) ago  (edited ago)

I am going to copy-paste some of the abusive comments towards AB here, as I know many people will probably not look at them otherwise. This is abuse. Utter crap - we cannot accept this treatment towards mods that put up with enough shit every day as it is. They are investing their time towards this effort without pay. This commenter is making multiple accounts specifically to harrass her because she is not compromised. You KNOW who is on the right side when they get attacked in precisely this personal, low-blow way. People giving their time to this important effort for no money, do not deserve this abuse.

SOME, NOT ALL COMMENTS BY ABUSIVE ACCOUNT FOLLOW:


"[real name], shouldn't you be at synagogue today? Or are you training for your next crisis actor job at ModelMayhem? Fucking twat stupid fucking cunt."

"She's a jew shill, her name is [deleted], she lives in [deleted], and she sucks as a musician that's why she couldn't get accepted at any conservatory. She peddles herself as a crisis actor on modelmayhem.com, the same agency the other crisis actors at Aurora were hired from. She used to be cute in her little panties there, but she's old now. [deleted doxx link]

I think she's training for her next role now that her crisis actor work there in [real location] has finished."

"I'm surprised that left-handed jew disinfo shill [Real Name], aka "abortionburger", hasn't deleted this thread and banned you. She's probably still asleep. Or maybe she's practicing for her next crisis actor role in a fake "shooting" like the one in her town of [Real location] where she just moved to right before the "shooting" there.

"This creepy disgusting jewess has systematically deleted every thread I posted here outlining Trump's relationships to the jew mafia pedo network, and banned my accounts many times. There is something about this information that the jew shills like [Name] have been instructed to remove."


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[–] kevdude 4 points 0 points (+4|-4) ago 

All in modlog.

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[–] 9217 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Am aware - some people will be too lazy to look, or not know where the modlog is.

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[–] Jem777 1 points 17 points (+18|-1) ago 

This is tragic. I am so sorry. These jerks will have to answer one day. I am sure you have notified the mods but has that guy been banned I witnessed the full doxing of you and reported it immediately to @vindicator for your protection before all of this yesterday.

You are a valuable asset to this research I hope something can be worked out so you can stay in some way.

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[–] abortionburger [S] 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

He just keeps making alts as quickly as we can ban them. We the mods came to the decision together that I should step down.

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[–] redditsuckz 3 points 7 points (+10|-3) ago  (edited ago)

"Jewburger" is 100% a Jew/Khazar...

It just shows you how evil they really are.

Jewish man accused of spray painting swastikas on his own home

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/60n9lg/jewish_man_accused_of_spray_painting_swastikas_on/

U.S. Jewish Center Bomb Threat Suspect Is Arrested in Israel

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/611zx6/us_jewish_center_bomb_threat_suspect_is_arrested/

Anti-Trump reporter who wrote for The Intercept (until 2016) been arrested in connection with bomb threats against the ADL and multiple Jewish Community Centers in addition to cyberstalking.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5xc6wi/antitrump_reporter_who_wrote_for_the_intercept/

LOL Jews Dont Control the Media

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/4d2yj1/lol_jews_dont_control_the_media/

This is a just ANOTHER false flag by the Jews in order to reign in more censorship...case in point;

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1780718/8721395

PIZZAGATE- Hasidic Jewish Podesta connection. Whistle blower "hero" within community

Pizzagate is connected to the Hasidic Jewish community via Pizzapac.com and the Podesta emails. A whistle blower came forward in 2013 about the child rape/pedophile epidemic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fF8TeHkXPm0

More info on the Jewish Connection;

http://i.imgur.com/vxV7Sop.png

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1776885/8704071

Pizza Spice Packet, LLC: A Summary

http://imgur.com/a/G26Zm

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1450902

UPDATE;

The Jews shut down the REDDIT pizzagate sub;

Advance Publications, Inc., is a privately held communications company that, directly or through subsidiaries, owns Condé Nast Publications

Reddit became a direct subsidiary of Condé Nast's parent company Advance Publications in 2011.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reddit

Conde Nast

CEO: (((Bob Sauerberg)))

Advance Publications Owners;

(((Samuel Newhouse)))

(((Donald Newhouse)))

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1532644

Voat.co also might be owned by Conde Nast...

http://i.imgur.com/Lbpi01V.png

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[–] Jem777 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

Sending you a pm

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[–] FckPizza3 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago 

Wow!! This is horrible! I have a lot of respect for the mods here. You guy's are consistently having to ban user's and delete posts. I amazed at how many user's you guy's have to ban when reading the banned user list. I get a real lol when reading your banned user reason @abortionburger I wish you and your family the very best. Please stay safe ❤❤❤

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