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[–] equineluvr 2 points 56 points (+58|-2) ago 

I wonder how many here really "get" the breadth and depth of what we're up against.

The focus is on all these individual players; nothing wrong with that. It also helps to understand individual mindsets in order to predict their behaviors. But what we're seeing in PG is only the TIP of the iceberg.

The real battle is against SYSTEMS and CULTURES. We are in a CULTURAL WAR and have been -- whether you realize it or not -- for milllenia. We are talking all the way back to the origins of man. That is why this is as pervasive as it is and has gone on for as long as it has. The only way to combat the problem is to fight it on THAT scale. That, coupled with the fact that the ENEMY IS IN CONTROL, unfortunately, is precisely why I question if it will get done.

Despite their claims to the contrary, most people DO NOT want to hear the truth (just like the line in the movie). I could spend a long time laying out the truth in a post -- acquired from living my life and also the fruits of 11 years of research -- and within seconds I would get attacked and downvoated -- maybe even banned. (It has happened here and on other forums.) Since it conflicts with the preconceived notions (read: lies) that we have all been taught in "school" and reinforced in the fakestream media, nobody would listen. They don't want to hear it because it's not pleasant AND it's not politically correct. Plus they would have to spend TIME and EFFORT doing research on their own to confirm or refute the info I just spoonfed them, and they're too lazy to do even that. It's much easier just to blow something off and hurl ad hominems at the messenger.

Signed, A Victim

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[–] OrwellKnew 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

Your remarks are spot on. Unfortunately they will go straight over the heads of many

Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words. - Proverbs 23:9

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[–] dreeeg 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Perhaps naivety is our best weapon

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[–] thicktail1730947 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Remarks that go over the heads of most are often remarks that go just high enough to be heard by those who most ought to hear them. Fear not the fool, fear not the wise.

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[–] Smyrtz 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

You and I should be friends.

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[–] Dharmabummm 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

We are.

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[–] Wisconsin_Is_Corrupt 2 points 4 points (+6|-2) ago  (edited ago)

EDIT: This person is no victim and no friend. This person is a fraud who stalks other users and falsely debunks true allegations without doing any research and demands to be spoon fed every bit of information in lieu of research, investigation, and critical thinking. See below where they are doing exactly what they describe above - they do NOT want to hear the truth, and 11 years of research has resulted in being incredibly ignorant and a complete shill who makes their decisions about truthfulness based on someone's ID on Voat. This person is exactly why Pizzagate will go nowhere without a better strategy.

ORIGINAL: For those who have knowledge of these crimes or witnessed these crimes, it can be discouraging and dangerous to expose the truth, particularly on sites like Reddit that are controlled and compromised. Voat is not without its problems, but still offers some hope. The people involved are very powerful and hedge all sides of all cases. Don't give up. Don't ever give up.

Also, in case you want to help, Racine, Wisconsin is the key to solving Pizzagate and Global Criminal Corruption. It sounds strange but it is true. We need to help each other. Instead of changing the name of Pizzagate to something else, we need to shift the story away from the basement of a pizza place to Main Street USA in Racine, Wisconsin.

We need to put the spotlight on Paul Ryan's own district which is an epicenter for Pizzagate and Global Criminal Corruption. Racine is known for pizza in more than one way, and it connects the dots that could not be connected by other means. It would accomplish what the Franklin scandal in Omaha could not. What if everyone realized they could save the world by supporting something so simple and obvious? We can still help Johnny Gosch by doing the right thing this time around.

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[–] equineluvr 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

I am happy to call you friend. :)

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[–] LightlyToasted 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I've tried making a post 2X today and both were deleted. Great resource scrubbed from the web: http://archive.is/wpwXH. I'm in a Twitter storm, so I am hoping other researchers can take a look and spread the word. THANK YOU!

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[–] palmitespo910 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

For some reason, I can't access archive.is without enabling javascript. It used to be that I had to use CAPTCHA to prove I'm not a bot. Am I the only one experiencing this?

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[–] equineluvr 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

I hear ya. I have had several posts go "poof" for no apparent reason, all over the last few days.

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[–] archons 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Got any books and videos to recommend? I too am walking down this path and I want to know the truth.

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[–] bFuddlez 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Equineluvr suggested you forget religious books but I disagree if what he had in mind was the Bible. Unless you're a christian, please hear me out. Our world and the evil within it only makes sense through the lens of Scripture. You're going to encounter a lot of newfangled philosophies, concepts and beliefs that'll make your head spin. Every last one of them are satanically inspired. It's not unreasonable or ridiculous to think these conspiracies could be true because this is Satan's MO. Satan would be ineffective if he were to conduct his business blatantly in front of us. Knowing this, he uses subversion, deception, and secrecy to advance his agenda. At the bottom of the rabbit hole is Legion. A demonic military hellbent on claiming as many souls as they can for their king, Satan.

Then Jesus asked him, "What is your name?" "My name is Legion," he replied, "for we are many."

Mark 5:9

For our battle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the world powers of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavens

Ephesians 6:12

They are paving the way for their earthly ruler, the Antichrist.

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[–] equineluvr 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago  (edited ago)

If you want to get to the core of it. forget "organizations" like Freemasonry, even the Vatican stuff. YES they play a role. But they are merely tools. Forget religious books too. That has its place, but you won't find what's needed there either. Forget the alien crap too.

I won't tell you specifically which books to read, but I will give you this big clue and hope that you take it to heart: Go OUTSIDE the conspiracy theory genre. The answers lie in ANTHROPOLOGY, and there are some clues in MEDICINE as well. Look for the one or two scholars who have been blackballed and had their careers and lives DESTROYED. They are the TRUTH tellers. You will NEVER find the uncensored, complete truth in ANY "conspiracy" book.

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[–] kekistocrat 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Cultural Hegemony -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js8E6C3ZnJ0

The Trivium -- http://www.triviumeducation.com/ -- the best for knowing truth

Logical Fallacies -- http://www.triviumeducation.com/texts/42Fallacies.pdf -- very important as most falsehoods are reduced to known fallacies.

Cultural marxism -- https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC68-mS-GIu6GHb9PGkKG-bg -- Indoctrinate U documentary -- -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VggFao85vTs&t=15s

Communism by the back door -- http://communismbythebackdoor.tv/

Research: The Frankfurt Institute, Tavistock Group, Herbert Marcuse, Abraham Flexner, Stanford Research Institute, MKUltra,

Read: The Synagogue of Satan, The Leipzig Connection, None Dare Call it Conspiracy, The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America, Mein Kampf...

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[–] BerksResident 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

David Icke was talking about this decades ago. Try the Biggest Secret plus he given a lot of free stuff on YT.

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[–] Mad_As_Hell 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

Reddit is polluted by Shareblue/CTR, if you read The_Donald or r/conspiracy threads you'll see the vast majority of 'real' commenters are on our side.

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[–] Ocelot 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Last time I checked, even /r/conspiracy was Shill Town, USA.

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[–] DrumpfBTFO 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Only partially. Whenever Shareblue decides to raid it, and complain about why they aren't discussing "Trump as a Russian spy"-angle.

edit: Don't get me wrong, there might be place and time for discussion about Trump's agenda in the end, but whatever bullshit MSM is pushing ain't it.

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[–] RodentLord 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Yeah, I can't imagine anything on reddit isn't astroturfed to fuck. It's so obviously painted over that it surprises me people think most of the comments are organic.

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[–] FuckReddit69 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I remember just a few months ago, around when pizzagate blew up, reddit's front page consisted of posts that were upvoated maybe in the 2-3 thousand range. Almost overnight front page posts had upvoats in the 10,000-30,000 range. This made no sense to me, then i remembered how easily it is to astroturf these subs to smithereens. The science sub is one huge echo chamber for NASA hoaxes.

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[–] huhWHAThuh 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

It's like Bill Cooper said. If you tell someone your name and they reply, "no it isn't," you have been "debunked." At least they can say you have been debunked. The facts remain. All the proof says it is true and the only "proof" they have is saying "no it isn't." Just continue the deluge of proof. Facts wash away denial.

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[–] equineluvr 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Bill was an aquaintance of mine. The ONLY CTer I have ever known who had INTEGRITY.

Rest in peace, Buddy.

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[–] DeathToMasons 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

And Bill exposed Alex Jones as a sham way back at Y2K. He knew about the false flags going on in the 90's and tried to warn us when the intranet was still new to us. Before there was a truth movement, Bill warned us about the Masons and every one of their agendas, the evil of the CIA and FBI, he predicted 9/11 a couple months before it happened and knew who they would blame it on, and he knew why they were doing it. The grandfather of the Truth movement before people were even looking for the truth. Of course they killed him asap at his own home. We did nothing and here we stand, our world on lock down with the scum of the earth running roghshod over humanity. RIP Bill Cooper.

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[–] huhWHAThuh 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

He was an amazing man. I've listened to every word of his i have been able to find on the internet - most of them i listened more than one time.

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[–] Basharalassad 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago  (edited ago)

It doesn't exist. They claimed they were keeping kids in a basement that literally does not exist. That pizza parlor has never had a basement.

https://imgoat.com/uploads/679091c5a8/5323.png

edit: THERE IS A BASEMENT YOU USEFUL IDIOTS

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[–] gumshoe_mob 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

The pictures of digging in a basement were part of a series of pictures. The other pics showed that it was at a house. But thank you for the comparative article where alefantis said he stored canned tomatoes in the basement.

https://archive.is/YoFJN

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[–] IlluminatiKing 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Reddit is cancer. Don't be discouraged by the front page. All fake. All manufactured.

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[–] User890020 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Well look who runs it... And what they're into...

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[–] 8285336? 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

(((Who)))

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[–] Motorhead 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Keep fighting brothers.

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[–] zzvoat 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

"I wouldn't believe it even it it was true."

Here is a DIRECTLY RELEVANT discussion of this phenomenon:

"Psychologists Explain 911 Denial Despite Hard Scientific Evidence"

http://www1.ae911truth.org/en/news-section/41-articles/645-psychology-experts-speak-out-why-is-the-911-evidence-difficult-for-some-to-accept-.html

  • If anyone here is truly puzzled about the psychology behind this yet doesn't believe that 9/11 was an inside job, I gently challenge you to try to understand why you don't. It's exactly the same thing, maybe even a stronger example because there are actually 16 years of hard facts, scientific research, and government denial, disinformation and misinformation.

  • If someone reading this thinks it's important enough for a separate post, please create one.

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[–] gumshoe_mob 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

The gov denial of the truth of 911 may be related to the issue of LIABILITY, and it would bankrupt our country. Among the thousand killed were foreign citizens. Also, there are many insurance policies that will not pay for "acts of war." If it is designated as a "crime" rather than an "act of war" then insurance companies must pay out to everyone, which could bankrupt the insurance companies. The insurance companies then, would have to investigate before paying.

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[–] blumeanie 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago  (edited ago)

Yet another reason why the push away from the 'pizzagate' label would be an important step forward. As much as I want to see that sack of shit Alefantis swinging by his neck, we need to remove the focus away from CPP, and therefore make (((their))) flimsy arguments regarding that shithole a mute point. As we all know, there's a much bigger picture that needs to be addressed here, so while we're still in the redpilling stage of the operation I would encourage everyone to start using the pedogate tag as a more useful alternative. Curse those motherfuckers for ruining the good name of pizza.

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[–] palmitespo910 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I have noticed that Alex Jones, oftentimes, will say Pizzagate/Pedogate. He uses both, and I honestly prefer Pedogate anyway. It keeps from tainting the pizza name, and still gets the point across.

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[–] blumeanie 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Yep exactly, if anything it hits harder.

How tricky would it be to rename the sub I wonder? It would be a massive fuck you to the enemy imo.

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[–] Wisconsin_Is_Corrupt 2 points -1 points (+1|-2) ago 

Pizzagate is bigger than just pedo crimes. That is why Pizzagate is important. No one wants to look into Pedogate. They will run in the other direction. Everyone knows what Pizza is, everyone eats pizza, and everyone wants to find out what Pizzagate is. The problem is that both the corrupt network and the gullible public allowed the Fake News to narrow the scope of Pizzagate to create false victims and a false flag event. Pizzagate is much bigger than that, and represents the entire system of Global Criminal Corruption.

This is why we need to shift the focus of Pizzagate to Racine, Wisconsin. If everyone finds out that the Real Pizzagate is in Paul Ryan's home district, they will be shocked when they find out the real truth behind Pizzagate and Global Criminal Corruption. This is not a joke, this is the best strategy to fix the entire world and expose the real truth. Unless of course no one cares about that.

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[–] palmitespo910 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I see what you're saying there. Here's the thing about Racine though, I have seen a lot of individual comments about Racine but I haven't seen any threads regarding it in depth really. Is it something that's not being talked about because of ignorance or is it because it's disinformation?

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