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[–] jackthyme 0 points 21 points 21 points (+21|-0) ago (edited ago)
FakePolice
[–] samhara 0 points 5 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago
good one. To go along with everything else which is fake. And there is a long list. These creeps are not even imitations. They are imitations of imitations. Watered down.
[–] iIIusion 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago (edited ago)
lulz No doubt. Maybe we should investigate the the fake investigators. +1
Anyone have names?
[–] QuestionEverything 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Enemies of the people. Servants of the elite.
[–] Forgetmenot 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Upvoated
[–] anolegion 4 points 7 points 11 points (+11|-4) ago
Any investigation into these high level sexual crimes against children would almost certainly turn up nothing, and all knowledgeable POs know it. In fact, the perpetrators, enablers, glorifiers etc know it too, with a high degree of certainty. That's why they can be so sardonically blatant.
The powers behind this systematic abuse have ages of experience, much of it infra-generational, handling evidence, covering up crimes, manipulating LE and judiciary, and even, when all else fails, 'disappearing' people who get too close.
Yes, there have been windows - like in the late 80s, and maybe even now - when they made mistakes in their 'programming', and some victims came out. But it has always, without exception, been lone guys or low level networks taking the fall. They have likely learned, and moved far beyond the primitive science of MKUltra and even Monarch. Remember they have unlimited resources.
So, yes, an investigation would probably find underground spaces, tunnels, hallways etc. beneath Buck's and many other places in the area. But much of that underground infrastructure is highly classified. And again, PDs know it.
I am as close to certain as possible that 'white hat', high level law enforcement is aware of the situation, and has been for many years. There's just not much they can do about it. Any perceptive police officer knows that justice is not their business. Order is. And this injustice, if exposed, would threaten the very order they are sworn to protect.
[–] joey4track 0 points 14 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago (edited ago)
I understand what you are saying but that's being pretty defeatist. It's long past time this status quo has got to go. I don't care how long it's gone on and how entitled these monsters feel. Instead of trying to spread apathy we should be getting our rope and pitchforks. I'm sick of being surrounded by a nation of pedo defenders and pussies that just want to keep their heads down. So sick of all this crap.
[–] charmeuse 0 points 15 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago
I feel certain that if the general population knew the full extent of the corruption in DC and elsewhere, that there would be a multi-million person march on DC that would shut it down. That is why the elites are so intent on disarming the citizens.
[–] anolegion 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Well I would like to believe you, but in Belgium they caught a lower lever trafficker with two kidnapped and abused girls in his shed, and a lot more in his closet. Many people in the judiciary and politics all the way up to the highest nobility were implicated. The Belgians held their 'white march' , of around 300.000 people in a country of barely 11 million.
Nothing happened. In fact, fifteen years later they had a suspected pedophile connected to Dutroux heading the government.
And they had the fucking evidence.
[–] samhara 0 points 4 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago
Also, here you claim the psychos have gone "way beyond" MKULTRA; yet without any evidence of that. It's just your surmise.
I dispute that. To me, to push that is fear porn.
The techniques of torture are apparently ancient - if you look at woodcuts and torture machines of the past. Once you cut something up and kill it, how much more can you do?
They claimed their AI would pass the Turing Test by 2001; still has not done it. Year after year after year. All they have is "false - hope" dramatizations on the big screen. Fantasy., Fantasy of omnipotence - which they have not achieved.
That's why they like to torture children. It's a fantasy of omnipotence which will never be fulfilled, no matter how many people they kill. They are losers. That is why they have to hide.
Their AI is a dud.. And so much of what they do turns to shit. This is a much larger subject , but just for now note "Oh they have much worse torture than they ever did" or "ULTRA MKULTRA" "they must have by now"
I dispute..
I don't think they can send words into your head either. Nor can they attain immortality by up-loading their brain. Why are they such extreme Fails? Because their assumptions are wrong.
[–] anolegion 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago (edited ago)
I actually agree about the Turing Test, hard AI and even more moderate versions, since I consider AI a contradiction in terms. However, where there *have *been impressive advances is in neurosciences and genetics - both fields closely related to the (stated, and some alleged) goals of MKUltra, its (mostly Nazi) predecessors and presumably its (supposed) successors.
I also agree I speculated there, or rather deduced. Because if one believes as I do that the wave of SRA reports in the late 80s and early 90s wasn't a satanic panic or a consequence of outdated/suggestive interrogation methods, then one has to suppose that the people and cults performing these rituals have been doing so ever since.
Yet there hasn't been a similar surge in reports, or even a continuation of reports from psychiatrists of psychotherapists. To me this means they have either stopped performing these rituals/experiments/treatments, or they have tuned them so as not to ever make a survivor *credibly *talk about it ever again.
Again, I do not believe they have perfected mind control or even that such a thing is possible. All I'm saying is that they have many years of experience, in some instances spanning many generations, hiding, covering up, suppressing etc. any and all evidence of their crimes, making ample use of experience and expertise among LE and judiciary within their ranks.
What is ironic and interesting is that a non-initiate, even a scientist or psychologist, would find it very hard to even detect such advanced DID, precisely because it is impossible to distinguish between an integrated personality and a compartmentalized one, since the latter will likely believe herself to be the former, and we have no plausible test to decide such a question, much like Searle's Chinese Room.
Well, I digress, as you did ;). But I posted this before, and it seems relevant in this context. This is from a police investigator into the case of Paul Ingram, who was accused of, and confessed to, SRA back in the early 90s.
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[–] TruthIsProvidence ago
To dispute they've gone beyond MK Ultra in the last 60+ years during the CPU era seems pretty foolish.
[–] samhara 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Not sure why you say that. That's always the excuse for covering large crime: "It will create disorder" Quite the contrary.
[–] madmanpg 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Former head of the CIA, William Colby, backs you up on that one:
[–] Chance903 ago
He died shortly after that https://archive.org/details/WhyWasFormerCiaDirectorWilliamColbyAssassinated
[–] warrior_of_light 0 points 7 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago
Lets get some twitter attention on this shall we? Spread the message.
[–] boomerbust 0 points 6 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago
One does wonder (outside of the most-sinister aspects of this one) how many PD investigations were never done, just acknowledged to be done? A sure lazy and (at best) non-waste of taxpayer dollars. Too bad journalism except at citizen-based is not allowed. Too bad there used to be investigative journalists, but a Big Thumb came down on the few left. FOIA may be a victim of further cost-cutting.
[–] samhara 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Lots of events people believe are above board, if you scratch a tiny bit , you will see all the un - orthodox procedures. People have got so used to it they don't even see it anymore.. I have many examples. Here is just one. These psychos love to hoax and love to mock. I have such a list of examples of things that don't add up - in plain site; that the only explanation is mass hypnosis. Here is 80 pages of holes in the Tate / Manson legend. - https://archive.is/Ceu8f - None of it adds up. It's all "cartoon" "Roger Rabbit" artifacts.
[–] Phishingteam 0 points 4 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago
I hope all the Fake investigators go to prison along side these freaks
[–] EndIsComing 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
If Trump can't break this wide open in his first, say, hundred days, I will rapidly shift from being a hopeful apocalyptic to being a depressed apocalyptic. Just saying.
[–] Thakiddds 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
Here's their twitter @DCPoliceDept
[–] justiceforever 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Link here https://mobile.twitter.com/DCPoliceDept?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
[–] hardrock 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago (edited ago)
Brilliant journalism. The investigator stayed focused and got the documentation. Bingo. I wonder if DC Metro Police received external advice in choosing to call it a "fictitious online conspiracy theory." Sort of odd word choice for legal minded cops. And what about their internal memo's and directives generated by the initial request for investigation. In order for a decision of any kind to be made (even the decision to do nothing) paper trails are unavoidabaly created. Looks like they withheld that other paper work.
[–] CWenstra 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Everyone was using nearly the exact terminology. "Fictitious online conspiracy" or "Fake conspiracy theory". It was all immediate and no questions were asked. The media, all of them, are not to be trusted for any truth. They are all run by a handful of people and are nothing but propaganda from them. Every single one.
[–] Forgetmenot 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
The same terminology on a global scale it was creepy. How did the meeting go when they were trying to come up with the tag lines they were going to use. And they all on a global level agreed and used the same exact wording. That is a tremendous feat and that's when I knew pizzagate was truly on to something.