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[–] GhostshipResearch ago (edited ago)
I do not have to “run this agency” to be considered an expert in the field. I have 30+ years as a professional investigator; have undergraduate and graduate degrees in Public Safety; am a Type I Search and Rescue Manager; a Type III Incident Management Team Incident Commander; and I split my time between performing public safety research, training law enforcement agencies in probability based SAR and missing persons investigative techniques, and in the field actively managing searches for lost and missing people.
I know very well how the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children website is used as a resource for law enforcement and the public. I also know how the website is being misused and misconstrued currently on YouTube, Reddit and VOAT.
In the RealtyCalls YouTube follow-up video that was intended to correct the record of the spurious claims made in the first video, I am the professional investigator they quoted and credited with presenting the actual facts.
You, obviously, are not an expert who is misapplying ipso facto logic; just because you are not qualified to comment does not mean I am also not qualified.
As far as the #Pizzagate investigation threads on VOAT, the rules require you to provide at least one source for the claims you’re making so yes, you damn well better post your proof. There is no room for “thought experiments” here.
As an expert in the field, I offer this to dispel the ridiculous misconceptions:
When a parent or guardian thinks a child is not where they should/when they should be, they call 911 and report the child missing.
Dispatch sends a law enforcement officer, who responds and conducts an initial investigation. Within a few minutes the officer is able to determine whether or not there really is a missing kid, gathers the child’s description, the clothes he was wearing last, when he was last seen, where he was supposed to go, and the parent’s/guardian’s information.
Then, the officer radios dispatch the information. Dispatch puts this information in the National Crime Information Center database (NCIC); puts out a Be On the Look Out (BOLO) or Attempt to Locate (ATL) which lets all the other officers on patrol to start looking for the child; and the command sergeant and Lieutenant are notified; and the officer continues the investigation.
If thirty minutes or so have past and the child is still missing, additional resources are called in. At some point a detective will be assigned to the case, a Search and Rescue team could be deployed, K-9 teams are used, etc.
Other local resources are employed, such as enlisting the media’s help, sending emergency communication notices to smartphones through systems like Nixle and CodeRed, Amber Alert when applicable, and basically the whole town/city is on the lookout for the child.
This is what is defined as a child "reported missing”. It’s the start, the actual initial report.
Now, let’s talk about the child being found. It often happens within the first ten minutes. Definitely within the first hour 95% of the children initially reported missing are found. There are some types of cases that take longer to resolve, though.
There is something called a “parental kidnapping” that sounds ominous but really the child was in no danger, the former spouse takes the kid (with or without permission), and it takes a little longer to figure that out and get the child back – maybe one to two days.
There are “acquaintance kidnappings” that are a little more dangerous – the kid is taken by a friend of the family, sometimes meaning to do the child harm or molest them. It takes some time to track this down too.
Children, including teenagers, can run away. The younger the runaway, the quicker they come back home. Some teenagers can be gone for weeks before the case is resolved (although that doesn’t always mean the child is returned home). Even though teenagers choose to run away, they are still at risk to falling prey to drug addictions, prostitution rings, human trafficking, and pedophiles.
Out of ~800,000 initial reports of missing children, only about 125 are actual “stranger kidnappings”, and roughly 50% of those are ultimately returned safely. Some are never found. Some are found dead. And, of those that are found dead, they are usually killed within 4 hours of being taken.
Because the case was entered in the NCIC, ever law enforcement agency in the nation has the access to the case. If the child goes missing in Wisconsin in the morning, he can be located by an officer 1200 miles away that night and identified as missing by searching in that database. All the information from every case, from initial report to whether or not the case was resolved is in that system. It stays there forever.
Every year the FBI releases the statistics in detail as part of the Uniformed Crime Report. Public safety researchers are also granted access to the data. Aside from that, the NCIC is not a database that the public has access to (it keeps data on all serious crimes in there, not just missing persons).
Knowing those odds, every reported missing child is treated as an emergency. Resources are deployed in a way that is most efficient and effective. One of those resources is sending an advertisement of the missing child to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC) to put on their website, coupon circulars, billboards, and milk cartons (I don’t even know if they still do milk cartons) at no cost. This will get your case national and international exposure, and can be an effective tool if you think there’s a chance the child you’re looking for has gone or has been taken out of state. This is certainly applicable to stranger abductions or any other case in which you believe the child is “endangered”.
Now, let’s talk about Virginia. The NCMEC is headquartered in Virginia. So it isn’t just a national/international resource for Virginia missing cases, but a local resource too. Thus, the Virginia State Police sends the NCMEC every single case they get, as soon as they are reported. Also, Virginia considers all children that are missing to be endangered (and they are correct).
Since the NCMEC advertisements are free, it’d be stupid for them not to send every case. And, Virginia can afford to pay someone to sit in an office sending those advertisements, too. This woman checks the NCIC every day, fills out the form, and ‘click’ sends in the ad. She not only checks NCIC for new reported missing cases, but for the children that have been recovered too.
The NCMEC gets the ads and uploads them to the website, and takes down the ads when they are notified the kids are found.
Remember when we said how long it takes to resolved these cases? Sometimes in a day, or two, maybe a week or two. Maybe a little longer. But the vast majority of the cases get resolved and the children are found safe. This means that the vast majority of the advertisements of missing kids that get sent to the NCMEC website are also found, and eventually those ads are taken down.
So, the benefit of the NCMEC is that the advertisements of the children that aren’t recovered quickly remain on the site for the world to see, so that they aren’t forgotten by the public. The police are still working the case, of course, but the public wouldn’t be aware because we don’t have access to the NCIC database.
Here’s the problem: some folks like Jan and RealityCalls came across the NCMEC website while they were looking into #Pizzagate. They have no prior experience in public safety, law enforcement procedure, missing persons investigations, or the function and utility of the NCMEC website. Viewing the website, they saw a whole bunch of ads from Virginia compared to other states, and the majority of those ads were the last two months.
Instead of making the appropriate inquiries as to why that is the case, they made their own assumptions, which were wrong, and uploaded those wrong assumptions onto YouTube. The result was they confused a lot of people, including themselves.
The biggest part of the confusion was thinking what they were seeing on the website was missing person data from a database, and that law enforcement agencies ‘reported’ cases to this database.
As you see now, it’s not meant to be a database, only an advertisement hub. Not all cases get sent to them, and the vast majority of ads that are sent to them are removed I a month or two. So that ANY month you go there, most of the case will be from the last two months.
The website ads that are visible are constantly changing, they can’t be used as “data” unless you compare all the ads received by the NCMEC every year. And, those aren’t the numbers that really matter anyway, those numbers are found in the NCIC.
The real benefit of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children are the ads for the missing children that stay missing, because those stay in the public eye. They even conduct age-generation for old cases, so that we can see pictures of what a child might look like after they aged 10 years.
By confusing what the NCMEC is used for, many people think that neither the police or the NCMEC are doing their job and that somehow the “numbers” are being covered up. None of that is true. Law enforcement is hard at work, volunteers are hard at work, the NCMEC is hard at work, researchers are hard at work, and even well-meaning but wrong-minded “citizen investigators” are hard at work. Some folks are just a little more confused now that before.
I hope this helps you and others understand what all this means a little better.
If you have any questions I will be happy to answer them. If you have any evidence to offer to contradict what I've posted, feel free to share.
[–] Infopractical ago
You begin by setting yourself up as the One True Expert, and perhaps you are. But then you never go on to address the point that I raise, which is that the NCMEC, whether run by well meaning people who sometimes do good, could be (intentionally or not) supplying criminals with information they can use to be better criminals.
I would think an expert would understand how to address such a reasonable thought experiment in some way other than appeal to authority.
Look, I hope you're right, but you should understand that there will be investigation, regardless. Too much has been hidden in the past. As an investigator, don't you understand that?
[–] GhostshipResearch ago
And I forgot to address your other point: argumentum ad verecundiam is only fallacious if the authority is not an expert.
The problem here is the majority of contributors are not authorities and are either unable or unwilling to acknowledge actual expertise. As such, the very people guilty of committing the logical fallacy of Appeal to Authority are the ones accusing the experts of it. Priceless.
[–] GhostshipResearch ago
You remain challenged to provide data or a source to support your assertion.
The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children receives advertisements with the very least amount of case information possible.
How, then, could they be supplying criminals with anything?
The children are already missing. The public is asked to call the police if they see these children.
The only one's that could possibly be aided by this are the missing children.
I'm not the "One True Expert"; there are a great many like me. You just aren't one of them. No big deal. If you want to "investigate" without the benefit of the knowledge subject matter experts have, you can attempt that as well. Although that's like attempting to diagnose and repair a car's engine without the benefit of a mechanic or a manual.
But if you're going to criticize and cast aspersions on a system that exists to save lives every day, your accusations should at least make sense, if not also be supported by independently verifiable sources of fact.