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[–] Thrash57 0 points 99 points (+99|-0) ago 

We have them actively trying to aid and abet a pedophile here. What does it take for people to at least say, "maybe they are trying to hide something"

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[–] afterbernerthrowaway 0 points 51 points (+51|-0) ago 

Honestly I think partisan brainwashing has most Dems refusing to believe this until Republicans are implicated--for example, if Hastert were to be even more closely involved. Which is why I like to ease into it by first pointing to things like the Norway bust, Savile, Dutroux, etc. instead of jumping right into the cold shocking water of their political heroes being involved in this kind of horror.

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[–] Prepper_Jack 0 points 34 points (+34|-0) ago  (edited ago)

A good rebuttal to Democrats circling the wagon would be to point to the Franklin Coverup. That was Republicans. Hell, maybe even shoot them the link to the banned Discovery channel video on it: https://youtu.be/M8IOeTPNWN8

Point out that Dennis Hastert, a Republican pedophile, was good friends with John Podesta. Shoot them the email links if you want. Point out that the Clintons and Bush's are peas in a pod. Maybe even go into how Bush Sr. and Bill Clinton ran drugs and guns for Iran Contra together, and got rich off it. It's not about R vs. D - it's about our Federal government being infested with a bunch of psychopathic criminal perverts.

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[–] garlicbulb 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

Yes all sides are involved and it should not be a matter of party politics, it is a matter of the political class getting away with child sex networks and other crimes and being almost completely unaccountable. However some people cannot see passed the democrat/republican political distraction.

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[–] FraKctured 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

I agree with the partisanship problem. I've tried starting very slowly with people on Youtube and Facebook, by pointing out guys like Hastert. It doesn't seem to help much. I had one chick telling me "How come you're ignoring TRUMP. He's a rapist too!" After I literally linked her to an article explaining Trump's connections Jeffrey Epstein. These are very delicate eggs to peel for some folks.

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[–] ArthurEdens 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago  (edited ago)

We need witnesses, coverup emails, or photos againts the ambassador and company or it can be said it never happened. No one is going to come forward because they will be bribed, threatened, or killed if it hasn't already happened. This is good information but it has to lead us to proof. Otherwise it's just another frustrating dead end.

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[–] 7266857 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

When the victims are almost always future perpetrators, celebrities addicted to fame, or dead... the "witness" problem is... well... a problem.

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[–] fogdryer 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

You cannot " evidence " this. No one saw him have sex. I doubt he came out and said it either. If the group wanted to turn on him and collectively testified as to his personality I e Liked minors etc. there can't be evidence. The child can't be found. Huh ????

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[–] 7267947 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Your frustration is due to a lack of infrastructure. If we had a couple million to pay for media coverage and another million to line th pockets of the courts, these people would already be in jail.

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[–] DonkeyOatey 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

It takes credibility. Credibility matters when you have a wolf problem. Unfortunately, this crowd sourced investigation has shown frighteningly little discipline with regards to crying "wolf".

Now that we have actual evidence of wolves no one cares to listen, and honestly I can't blame them.

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[–] Millennial_Falcon [M] 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago  (edited ago)

The problem with you logic is that this is an anonymous forum, and people can buy upvotes, so any fake evidence or bad leads cannot really fairly be blamed on the community as a whole (this is not to say people will not unfairly use it against us). However, I appreciate your point, in that we need to be vigilant about shills trying to spread disinformation.

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[–] ArthurEdens 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Why can't you blame them?

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[–] FireMarshallBill 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

We cry wolf because they weren't paying attention the last dozen times this shit was blowing up. It's willful ignorance and collusion on the MSMs behalf, why couldn't you blame them?

Framing the debate, "cry wolf" versus "hey corrupt dumbasses, right here, pedos again".

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[–] whitehand 0 points 38 points (+38|-0) ago 

Well done, this is the type of stuff that needs to be posted regularly. BTW this may help you: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1492193

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[–] Diggerty 0 points 29 points (+29|-0) ago 

I was looking into this the other day. There were two whistleblowers on this, one guy named Higbie. Another was a lady, who leaked it to CBS News. They broke into her attorney's office and stole a bunch of computers. Watergate level cover up attempted

http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/07/07/cameras-catch-mystery-break-in-at-whistleblowers-law-firm/

I found some other stuff but sadly lost my research due to computer freezing. I will try to let you know if I can find it again.

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[–] Avoid_The_Noid 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Yeah, I forgot about the break-in. Basically Water-Gate type shit. Too bad Bob Woodward has turned out to be a Clinton shill and only allows real investigations against Repubs in WaPo now.

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[–] totesgoats908234 0 points 23 points (+23|-0) ago 

Did Gutman purchase the Ambassadorship?

To a country that is a hot spot of pedophilia.

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[–] Ninjakick666 0 points 21 points (+21|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Holy shit... now I get why there were all those wikileaks where they were wheeling and dealing for different ambassadorships... You get a free ticket to dine a la carte on your favorite foreign food.

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[–] flyingcuttlefish 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

can a kid fit in that diplo pouch?

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[–] YingYangMom 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Yes. He did. ****Gutman purchased his Ambassador to Belgium position. Here is the proof. Courtesy of Guccifer 2.0 ** http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-13/how-much-it-costs-get-ambassadorship-guccifer-20-leaks-dnc-pay-play-donor-list ** **#23 here : http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2016/09/07/20160913_DNChack2.pngPNG

Archive this if you want to. I have no idea how to do it... that Slimg thing always fails with me.**

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[–] isthisreality 0 points 20 points (+20|-0) ago 

Omg actually yes...shit... i am 99.9999% sure there is a link between this post and the Dutroux affair. SHIT. I have so many fucking scribbles and unorganized notes... I will try to find asap... I've still been working on the ARK connection through all this which is also a huge part of the Dutroux affair. The combination of all this could be earth shattering info

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[–] Avoid_The_Noid 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

I think the stated reason that Bill Clinton's schedule is redacted is to protect a "private citizen's" privacy. I think the real reason is because he was colluding with the State Department to fundraise for the Clinton Foundation (on the taxpayers dime)...and perhaps for some of the reason's you posted, though I doubt sexual trysts would have been on his official schedule which was passed around dozens of members of DoS.

A bit off-topic, but Victoria Nuland being involved in anything is suspect. She was clearly a major player in the Ukrainian Coup (remember she was caught on an unsecured line saying "Yats" is our guy...referring to our preferred installed puppet...and "fuck the EU") She's also married to arch-Neo-Con Robert Kagan (of Project For A New American Century infamy)

Just as a note, cushy ambassadorships in nice countries are routinely awarded to big donors/bundlers, as opposed to more important posts that require real diplomats/CIA folk. Yes, it's pay-to-play, but it's nothing new.

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[–] DuffBeer4Me 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Commenting here mainly so I can find this post later...

I have always wondered why Hillary quit her position as Secretary of State, I have held a suspicion it was to keep her at arms-length from plans in Ukraine (search on youtube a Charlie-Rose segment she did the day MH17 went down, given her close ties to Nuland she could act as a convenient, non-official proxy spokesperson), and to give her a few years window not being a public servant to conduct any other business with less scrutiny (time to collect funds and make promises while she is technically allowed).

The NATO talks in the original post (late 2012) also time well with the planning of the Ukrainian coup (end of 2013). It takes a year or two to infiltrate political groups and send in 'NGO's' on the ground, so they can have a 'peaceful' revolution while Nuland hands them cookies and treats. Perhaps it was also a quasi handover of the Ukraine project from Hillary.

Also remember, creepy Joe Biden has a son (Hunter?) who got a cushy job on a Ukrainian energy board after the coup.

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[–] bolus 3 points -1 points (+2|-3) ago 

i thought Bill's was redacted because the FOIA was for Hill, not him. perhaps a more specific FOIA for Bill's itinerary would get some good results?

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[–] Avoid_The_Noid 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

That's possible....I'm no a FOIA expert. But you'll notice other people's messages/info aren't redacted in the latest dump. His personal communications couldn't be subject to a FOIA request because he doesn't work for the USG during this time period (which is why it's strange his travels seem to be coordinated with State department officials).

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[–] FireMarshallBill 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I think that's how they legal-fu themselves into these 'circumstances' that allow them to censor this kind of stuff. Bill would have been a private citizen at the time, they'd love to use that excuse, you're traveling with the SOS. They're trying to play both sides of this just as usual.

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[–] isthisreality 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

Great fucking job!!

Ive been digging deeper into the Dutroux case for the last day and a half on and off ... Ill keep an eye out for anything I read that coincides with this info. Again, fantastic. Thank you.

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[–] Ninjakick666 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

"I have one thing to ask of Marc Dutroux, even though I know I think I know the answer. Why didn't he just liquidate me, since he was always complaining about my pig-headed stubbornness?"

I wonder if that is just a weird translation, but "liquidate" strikes me as odd verbiage for a young girl to use.

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[–] tika 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I have checked Sarbine Dardenne's original question in court, in french. There is no mistaking her meaning in 'liquidée', she indeed mean 'killed'. She also stated that Dutroux's affirmation that he would never have done so 'not very convincing'.

"Je voudrais savoir, venant de lui qui se plaignait de mon caractère de cochon, pourquoi il ne m'a pas liquidée" (I'd like to know, coming from him who complained about my pig-headed stubbornness, why he didn't liquidate me)

Sabine endured a terrible ordeal, as she was held prisoner in Dutroux's 'basement for 2 and a half months.

Source: http://www.radicalparty.org/fr/content/dutroux-sabine-dardenne-face-%C3%A0-son-bourreau

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[–] MAGABoomer 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

Belgium is a hotbed of "sexual misconduct". I think they're trying to make some kind of law for the sexual rights of children. I find it odd the Ambassador would have to "sneak". They'd probably bring the kiddies right to him.

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