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[–] grlldcheese 5 points 25 points (+30|-5) ago  (edited ago)

Language Nazism doesn't work here.

And that's giving you the HUGE benefit of the doubt that this isn't just some slide bullshit tactic that goes hand in hand with the derailing tactic you're whining about.

Here's the logic.

You're mad about crazy stuff and meanie words distracting from the truth.

So you've made a thread to bitch about the crazy stuff and meanie words.

So now this thread is on the front page, diluting the content of this site. That's one thread of possible investigation that isn't on the front page now.

And it will not work. Because the shills are here specifically to do what you're whining about.

So now there's them derailing AND you diluting.

Which begs the question, are you such a fucking newb that you don't understand this or are you collaborating with the shills to stir outrage because nobody here gives a fuck about meanie words and crazies and the derailing hasn't been working?

Either way you're being unproductive, distracting, and a moron. And there's always the chance you're actually being paid to cover for kiddie diddlers by David Brock.

Suck a fucking dick.

Edit: tfw the fire rises.

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[–] SaneGoatiSwear 10 points 5 points (+15|-10) ago 

why in the fuck is this tagged important, though?

@kingkongwaswrong op is concern trolling why the living nigger fuck is this tagged "IMPORTANT"?!?!

there's a big fucking difference between hate speech (protected in the u.s as free speech) and violent speech (like threats, not protected, crimes)

because having a feeling (i hate fat people/niggers/people who jaywalk) is not a fucking crime, but threatening their lives/livelihoods for whatever reason IS a crime (on the net as well).

roping them in together is a known tactic of disinformation agents / shills.

QUOTING OP:

We need to have absolutely zero tolerance for violent or hateful speech here.

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[–] kingkongwaswrong 4 points 11 points (+15|-4) ago 

QUOTING OP:

We need to have absolutely zero tolerance for violent or hateful speech here.

Is he not allowed to say that? O_O who's censoring who?

Did you even read his post? or just saw that comment and went spacko?

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[–] Pizzagatethroaway499 9 points 1 points (+10|-9) ago 

You're clearly an idiot! I certainly hope you're getting paid by Brock and you haven't sustained about 14 concussions in the last month. Take up another hobby like knitting...

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[–] grlldcheese 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I'm pretty sure this is the controlled opposition endgame. And it's weak as fuck. Watching it go down in T_D, the desperation, it was great.

They were brigading us while the world changed right under their noses. It's beautiful man.

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[–] grlldcheese 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Hmmmmm. I think i like you. You just new and weak. 3 weeks. Follow for 3 weeks and you will agree with me. That's not even inauguration. Shits so hot that the shills are maxing out. When it got worse after the election i was shocked.

This conversation exists only in places that think like I'm describing. There's a reason for that. Refuge in absurdity. But we're known, so the absurdity prevents manipulation.

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[–] kingkongwaswrong 7 points 12 points (+19|-7) ago  (edited ago)

@sanegoatiswear @grlldcheese @darthveddit @mightyyetgentle7 @crensch

I understand voat's culture of throwing off censorship and tone policing, and yes everyone has a right to say whatever they want, and we should be careful of blanket rules on tone, words, subjects.

But I really think it's pretty lame to kneejerk apply that to every situation ever by swearing, throwing obscenities and slurs, and being downright mean. It's not constructive and it actually serves to make people ignore you.

No one is trying to control your freedom - we're just looking at the outcome we're trying to drive to, and looking at the parameters required to get there.

From our perspective, 'old goats' coming here and trying to tell us what to do is a form of control. OP isn't calling for a rule change, or comment censorship or anything like that. He's just asking the community to change their titles, and consider what they post and how they use their upvotes and downvotes. This is 100% fair, and if he's being upvoted then the community agrees (unless in the case of bot buys, but why would shills support this argument?). You guys can bitch about it, but telling OP that he can't ask for this and that he's not allowed to say this is a form of control and censorship - and if you guys were moderators and ENFORCING this by say, deleting OPs post that would be a form of control and censorship. Remember that fascism exists in every extreme.

Like it or not, this is a different sub to a normal conversation sub. It's an investigation, but it's also one of the public faces of pizzagate. And sure you can selfishly drive your voat culture agenda, but does that serve the purposes of this particular sub? I don't think so. Could it actively sabotage this sub? Yeah it could.

Imagine if the top post of the sub was 'A CALL TO ARMS' - and then the media got a hold of that and corresponded it to the comet pizza shooting? Not nice.

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[–] kevdude 2 points 12 points (+14|-2) ago 

Imagine if the top post of the sub was 'A CALL TO ARMS' - and then the media got a hold of that and corresponded it to the comet pizza shooting? Not nice.

No one is arguing that. OP is trying to police tone and content. He is trying to start a slippery slope. After he gets headlines censored based on "tone" he will move to comments.

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[–] kevdude 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

and if you guys were moderators and ENFORCING this by say, deleting OPs post that would be a form of control and censorship. Remember that fascism exists in every extreme.

Bingo. I mean OP is definitely a faggot and IMO should shut the fuck up, but, you know, that's just like, my opinion man. And if someone were to delete his comments or ban him I would be first in line with the torch to go after that mod.

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[–] SaneGoatiSwear 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

notice the lack of responses to intelligent comments by dissenters?

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[–] RebeccaSugar 3 points 5 points (+8|-3) ago 

I love you so much for saying this! Yes.

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[–] darthveddit 2 points 4 points (+6|-2) ago 

I'm proving a point. Point being is it doesn't matter what people say. We have a singleness of purpose here it doesn't matter how we expose this, it's that we do. Your discouraging people by saying they must be "professional". Do they also need a permit?

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[–] kingkongwaswrong 2 points 9 points (+11|-2) ago 

I'm not saying 'professional', but it does help to have posts titled correctly, and in a non sensational way. No one is calling for rules implementation, OP is just appealing to the community, as is his right, and his suggestions are good imo.

We have a singleness of purpose here it doesn't matter how we expose this, it's that we do.

yes you're right. But we also have to remember the MSM narratives and be kinda careful not to fall into any of the traps theyre setting.

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[–] jonnythaiwongy9 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

It does matter how its exposed. Do you want to expose it, and have people say look, some mongoloid fuck who is a member of the neo-nazi's and wants a new holocaust says theres child rape going on. Or do you want the best chance of swaying public opinion, because thats what we need. We need people to work with us tow\rds demanding an investigation. Thats why we should keep all politics out, let alone such extremist, alienating politics. Just have a bit of restraint if you don't mind to help the cause, it is the most efficient way. I fyou want to be a hindrance, thats ur right, but its selfish.

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[–] reasonedandinformed 9 points 11 points (+20|-9) ago 

Agreed. A big chunk of what you described is part of the CTR strategy to try to control the narrative for the lmainstream media. In some cases it involves people with inherent bigotry who are outraged, but there is no place for the bigotry on this platform.

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[–] kevdude 2 points 7 points (+9|-2) ago  (edited ago)

Because the media won't just fucking manufacture it? Stop trying to control your fellow Voaters. Focus on submitting content and use your votes.

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[–] zoot3d 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago 

you've got to be bricking shitting me

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[–] SaneGoatiSwear 5 points 1 points (+6|-5) ago 

hey everyone downvoating: guess what? i want pizzagate to lead to the arrest and prosecution of any and all criminals involved in these pedo rings! but you're listening to a concern troll language policing you! it's straight out of the reddit sjw handbook! note the very clear specific tethering of legally protected free speech (hate speech) with illegal speech (violent speech) this is a concern troll

@reasonedandinformed (IS A B0T) a very nice guy who knows what it's talking about.

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[–] pizzasclosed 7 points 10 points (+17|-7) ago 

This is an underrated piece of advice. In my years of forum browsing I have seen a trend of the "retard-shill" and the "paranoia-disinfoagent"

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[–] cosmicmind 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

You have to understand that this topic can bring up a lot of emotion for a long of reasons. When a person realizes that this is happening they can go into all kinds of reaction. When they discover the full level of what's happening it might bring out even more stuff. I know it did for me. By saying that you're not allowing people to be real with their emotion on such a sensitive topic -- I can't support that at all. I think a person generally knows when someone is genuine or not.

You also have to understand that the stats of sexual abuse is very high, and there may be people on board who feel a personal connection on some level of past experience of abuse.

I purposely wrote the words, "you have to understand". How did it make you feel when I said you have to do something?
Isn't that the same censorship here on a small scale as what's being exerpeinced to alt-media from mainstream legacy media?

Why you wanna drone and zombie the emotions of genuine people on a real emotional topic?

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[–] shakethetree 1 points 8 points (+9|-1) ago 

I strongly suspect at the end of the day this thread is going to have a silver lining. From the sidebar:

Dealing with Shills

Shills are pretty obvious. Response is to downvote - use them people! Downvote anything that looks like COINTEL.

On Shills, paid actors, Cointelpro, forum spies - extended cut

Ongoing list of suspected shills - https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1443740

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[–] Nigredo 2 points 7 points (+9|-2) ago 

It would probably help if people would cut down on comments like "BUT IT'S THE TALMUDIC JEWS DOING EVERYTHING" which is literally all over this site. It would be great to have a less corporate alternative to Reddit, less prone to censorship, but jesus fucking christ the people here are ridiculously racist at a disturbing degree of frequency.

I'm not advocating banning people or censoring or editing comments, but we need to have an actual discussion on this. But the people spewing the hate filled vitriol are, apparently, for the most part not willing to discuss anything. I try to educate people about class and the actual people who are running this show and who deserve our hatred, and I get replies like "Go back to being a furfag on leftiepol(?????? What the fuck)" and "Nigger you don't speak for the white race" and shit. Motherfucker, it's not the Jew destroying your healthcare, it's rich insurance company fucks looking to get even richer. Same for fucking everything.

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[–] poopybuttt 2 points 7 points (+9|-2) ago 

Then I guess we shouldn't have Crensch as a mod

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