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[–] We_The_People 2 points 62 points (+64|-2) ago 

Thanks for digging this up again. All this shit is getting buried and deleted. We need to keep better track if shit.

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[–] djklbd 1 points 12 points (+13|-1) ago 

Agreed, nice work OP.

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[–] IsThisGameOfThrones 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Guys the main points here...

Alefantis and Smith worked on a "kill room" together that is located in the back of Jeff Smith's shop. Jeff Smith's shop is a wood and metal furniture business. The shop is located in The Pajama Factory in Pennsylvania which is about 3 hours and 45 minutes from DC.

The Pajama Factory is a strange type of business. It's a giant abandoned factory that is now divided up into different sections including offices, studios, event centers, and shops. It houses multiple tenants. The tenants have access to their space 24 hours a day.

A body was found a few hours before a surprise inspection. Whether this is related or not is unknown but it did bring light to the fact that this place is seen as an artist commune and some of the tenants may be breaking the rules by living there.

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[–] IsThisGameOfThrones 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Im searching everything i can find on The Pajama Factory. Trying to connect the room in the instagram photos to the architecture of the pajama factory. While researching this I saw a couple interesting things.

Jeff Smith's shop has disappeared from the pajama factory tenant directory. It was there hours ago and now it is gone.

A shop located in Studio 1.1 is the Williamsport Ballet Guild. This is their website http://www.williamsportballetguild.org/ It translates to a website about termite protection. Odd but most likely nothing.

Right now im looking for pictures on the first floor of the pajama factory. You can tell if its the first floor by either the pictures or if the floor is wood or concrete. Wood is on floors 2, 3, and 4. Concrete is on floor 1. The ceiling should be the same in floor 1 pictures as it is in the original instagram photo. I have found nothing conclusive yet on this lead. If we were to find something that is conclusive it would confirm that Alefantis helped build the kill room with Jeff Smith in his shop. The only other way i can think of to confirm this is to actually go to the shop and check it out.

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[–] Phishingteam 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Might be a full service PHRANCHISE?

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[–] eddyeagle 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

we need to archive but not even archive.org is safe.

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[–] SoldierofYAH 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

For ultimate back-up, save info as Word documents (etc) and save on a hard drive or flash drive, etc.

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[–] micha_ 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Deleted? Here? Threads are being deleted? Do you have a link?

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[–] We_The_People 4 points 30 points (+34|-4) ago  (edited ago)

THEY HAVE PEDO SYMBOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The womans ring! http://www.pajamafactory.net/wp-content/media/2014/GreenHouse.jpg

Her name is Sally Rizzo. I dug her name up Here

The post mentions Mindful Harvest. I looked them up on Facebook.

Here is a close up of her ring.

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[–] h2d 1 points 15 points (+16|-1) ago 

That's a bit of a stretch - I'm all for openly investigating any of these sick fucks but that looks circular to me, just like a spiral.

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[–] anonymousj 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Honestly, I owned a pair of silver spiral earrings. It's one of the first projects we made in a silver making jewelry class I took. Also can be done with aluminum coil. Not every spiral design is pedo. And I am not a shill, 65 y/o grandma normie who took a jewelry class.

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[–] We_The_People 3 points 2 points (+5|-3) ago 

Check out my other post.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1478385

We are finding pedo symbols all over this fucking website.

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[–] Tomioka 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Well spotted. Did you notice the girl's necklace as well?

Both the ring and necklace look a bit "off", though it may also be an effect from highlight recovery applied to the image.

I don't know how much credibility this kind of image analysis has, but here's the output from the "photo forensics" online tool: http://sli.mg/S7ykjj

(http://digiwonk.wonderhowto.com/how-to/photo-forensics-check-if-picture-has-been-photoshopped-not-0138649/))

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[–] street1510 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Couple areas look a little off. That ring though is super weird.

https://i.sli.mg/dEdLWD.png

https://i.sli.mg/FZAm0a.png

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[–] PizzagateConspiracy 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

So, if anything, the ring is photoshopped in, but not the necklace. However, I think if this were intentional, it would have been easy enough for the photographer/crew to say "hey, put this ring on for the pose." I doubt photoshop was necessary, but it is the only white spot on the image analysis.

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[–] redditsuckz [S] 5 points 2 points (+7|-5) ago  (edited ago)

Yep...heres another one;

https://i.sli.mg/t9e9ts.jpg

http://archive.is/ECSCh

This Place reminds me of another messed up place...The Soap Factory...

https://www.instagram.com/thesoapfactory

https://www.instagram.com/explore/locations/490431/the-soap-factory/

Where cultist Morgan Hungerford West(Freinds of Comet Ping Pong) visted

https://www.instagram.com/pandaheadmorgan

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[–] shillymcshill 2 points 15 points (+17|-2) ago 

That's a scene from Nightmare Before Christmas.

Spirals are a very basic design motif, they exist everywhere, even in nature. If you think everything with a spiral is a possible clue, that's like thinking everything blue is also a possible clue. It's insane.

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[–] dogeminho 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

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[–] heks_ 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

While I don't have any experience in photo forensics, I do a lot photo manipulation for work and with that experience background I would say that virtually this entire image looks like one big photoshop compilation. The ring looks fake unless some filters have been way over-applied to it. Same thing goes for the spiral necklace. The people look like they've been cut out of one photo and put onto a background from another photo (unless they've for some reason been separated out onto another layer, had the background blurred and then had the edge of their foreground layer blurred in an attempt to blend). The sign looks like it's from a separate image and placed in with a shoddy blending attempt, and the thing made of sticks near the top right looks like it has been placed in from another image as well.

All that having been said, the ring looks like a perfectly normal spiral, and the necklace doesn't look particularly suspicious either. Spirals are used in all kinds of designs. Sometimes (actually, almost always) a spiral is just a spiral.

EDIT: On closer inspection of the larger version I think it's possible that just the people have been inserted from another picture (though the ring and necklace still look inserted unless they've been heavily filtered for some reason). The thing made of sticks and the sign might be part of the image with the blurry background, unless the stick thing is some kind of stock art from a photo taken on a green screen allowing it to be perfectly removed from its background.

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[–] dogeminho 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

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[–] cocoakrispies88 1 points 16 points (+17|-1) ago  (edited ago)

I think I might be downvoted for this post. I should preface this with the fact that I've been checking up on v/pizzagate because I find it interesting, but in general my position is probably undecided.

I made an account just to post in this thread because I live in Williamsport, PA. I've never heard of Jeff Smith, but when I look him up on Facebook I see someone who's obviously him and I do have some mutual friends with him though he lives in DC. I went to high school with a lot of these mutual friends and I know them pretty well, but none well enough to ask how they feel about him. His Facebook has very little information available to the public but looks pretty standard. I'm not comfortable giving out the URL.

I want to be careful with how much I reveal, but despite all of this I do think this is a false lead. I've only been to the Pajama Factory a couple of times because I had some friends in a church that met there (that now have an actual church building), but I've seen a lot of the people who go in and out and went to high school with one of the tenants. I don't think it would be a good location for any nefarious activity. It has far too much traffic, and there's surveillance too. Hasn't someone in this thread already discussed how it's a shop and the "kill room" is just the spooky back part that's still basically open to the public?

The "Adam" who's also been mentioned on this thread also went to my high school and I went to his Facebook also. I do actually recall this person but don't remember a lot about him (different year). There's more there than on Jeff's, but nothing unusual as far as I could see. Seems like a normal happy guy who used to be a soccer coach and now delivers pizza. I don't know which Joe's Pizza location he works at, but the east location was right next to my high school and I went every now and again. Nothing suspicious that I noticed.

Anyway, I'm not ruling anything out. I suppose it's not impossible there's a hole in the Pajama Factory or that these people are involved in a big conspiracy, but if you're going to do some weird murdering shit I think the Pajama Factory would be a terrible choice of location. As the article indicated, there's people there all the time, small business owners who spend more time there than at home. In general, I have a lot of the same skepticism pizza_detective has expressed on this thread. It seems to me more like dark humor than dark activity.

Like I said, I'm not ruling anything flat out. I don't know these people or this building incredibly well. Just expressing some doubt from a little closer. If anyone has any reasonable questions feel free to shoot them my way.

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[–] Infopractical 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

  1. You may be correct, and nobody here should accuse anyone of something as disgusting as murder or pedophilia lightly. There are some people using overly accusative language, though there are plenty of us trying to behave in as responsible a manner as possible. This is investigation only, so far, and we are only investigators because authorities appear to be protective of a particularly horrifying brand of criminal. It may simply be the case that Jeff Smith has a dark sense of humor. I do too, as do many of my friends. I will say, however, that in maturity, I will probably never again joke some topics.

  2. When you mention the difficulties in using the Pajama Factory for criminal activity, it would be extremely helpful to give specific details, including pictures, if possible. Personally, I think it is tough to make an argument against the feasibility of using a location for these kinds of crimes. People use their homes in nice neighborhoods. People use classrooms. Jimmy Savile raped people in hospital beds while nurses were in the hallways. There are physical and mental tactics that can make crime all but invisible.

  3. I was a victim in a government-supported cult growing up. Nobody would have known it judging by my polite parents and our my family members in politics. I couldn't even find adults to talk to about it because the level of invisibility is such a tough mental barrier for people to pass through.

Thank you for making your comment. Your skepticism can only make the community and the investigation better. We all have to keep in mind that any theories we have might be true or false, and as more information becomes available, we can only judge by that information.

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[–] cocoakrispies88 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago  (edited ago)

You're right, I shouldn't dismiss things too quickly based on appearance. I guess I'm just trying to emphasize the humanity of the people being accused and that the building is quite busy. But like I said, not ruling anything out for certain. I suppose it wouldn't be impossible, and stranger things have happened I guess. I don't really think it would be wise for me to poke around the building (and naturally I don't have pictures), but I will try to keep my antennae up about opportunities to go and see how things are situated. I think they arise occasionally. And I think I have a friend I could ask about how the PJF is set up. (I only ever came in one entrance.)

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[–] DigForTheKids 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Yea, this looks like the real deal to me. Sorry, but if you don't like being accused of pedophilia and murder you have to do a bit better than these sick fucks.

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[–] AgainstPedos 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Possible there's an underground passageway accessed through one of the pizza shops. Since originally it was used as an underground train station there would be bigger or wider areas for evil activity. I'll bet all of it was filmed in graphic detail and sold on the Dark Web.

The Pajama Factory and/or arts' colony above would be a perfect cover. No one would question why there were different people coming and going at odd hours. Artists who occasionally spent the night wouldn't be able to hear what was going on so far below ground in the middle of the night due to traffic noise. Just my hypothesis.

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[–] reasonedandinformed 1 points 12 points (+13|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Excellent work. I just posted a related thread before seeing yours. I am pasting over related info for digging so it is in one place and your thread can run. These are great leads:

Here is the analysis (I had no role so these guys deserve the credit): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RykGBp4MDxg&feature=youtu.beYouTube

Relevant images: https://archive.fo/0fIhm (freezer/kill room) https://archive.fo/TS5mj (trench work/overtime) https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzzKlTLarZr8SWFCaURHRHRNUmM/view (more killroom) https://archive.fo/vipXE (meeting at core offices not centrolina?) - what is centrolina https://archive.fo/LAWVh (digging the hole, with comments about burying a body by the commenter who makes baby coffins) https://archive.is/TS5mj Trenching work in Jeff Smith's shop/building? https://archive.fo/bU3Cs (snm, could be in the same facility)

We also need to look at the farm in Lovettesville where they had the party with the 3 girls listed with ages as going to be in the pool for entertainment. The farm is apparently called Quarter Branch farm and had something called the Fazenda Burity located on what looks to be pretty much the same property (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Fazenda+Burity/@39.281867,-77.6093269,15z/data=!4m12!1m6!3m5!1s0x0:0xc5795190aaff33ab!2sQuarter+Branch+Farm!8m2!3d39.280564!4d-77.60858!3m4!1s0x0:0x75875913bf264b7b!8m2!3d39.2818676!4d-77.6093262)))). The Google Maps description calls the Fazenda Burity a farm, but yet it has photos of a long building with many doors, people dining in an outside gathering area, a pool, and other photos which do not look anything like a farm.

This instagram mentions "that little baby loved the farm." https://archive.fo/abZBC

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[–] reasonedandinformed 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

The Centrolina reference in my own post made me dig. It is Centrolina Market at 974 Palmer Alley NW, Washington, DC 20268 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/974+Palmer+Alley+NW,+Washington,+DC+20268/@38.9003265,-77.0259671,3a,75y,101.33h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sTl6_KG9z0BN5ScwKwjrMKQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x6d5087df3478d19!6m1!1e1))

It is much closer to L'Enfant Cafe (1.7 mi), which deserves attention, which it has not gotten, than it is to CPP (5.0 mi).

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[–] Godwillwin 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

quarter branch farm is closing. is this new? their closing? if so, are they closing because of the spotlight on the scandal?
it says quarter branch farm is closing. that's right. we're shutting down the farm..... http://www.quarterbranchfarm.com/index.html

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[–] sixgorillion 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Beginning of November. This farm deserves it's own thread, if we can confirm that it's the farm referred to in the Podesta emails.

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[–] DarkMath 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Where is James going to get his organic tomatoes then? lol

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[–] Commonwombat 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Quarter Branch farm isn't the one in the emails.

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[–] sixgorillion 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Then please elaborate on which one it is, provide info.

Quarter Branch farm is a little bit suspect, they closed down their farm in the beginning of November as all of this was beginning to come out. And the farm isn't publicly associated with anyone(like CPP), they can just shut it down and bury it.

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[–] h2d 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Uhhh what? Speak English you fucking idiot.

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[–] Unthinking 3 points 10 points (+13|-3) ago  (edited ago)

People, starting with the assumption that there certainly is a "pedo ring' connected with CPP, you're reading every single detail you find in a guilty way, and as clue or proof of the 'CCP pedo ring'. This approach is completely misleading, methodically wrong.

Now even a Instagram post that is clearly, or at least most probably, just a joke, becomes proof or a clear indication of the "pedo ring" (plenty of examples of that).

You should admit that all you have until now are just potential clues that make you suspicious. All the rest are assumptions, and you should refrain from presenting them as facts, if you want to be even remotely serious about what you're doing.

Even the origin of this all thing is rather dubious: that the perplexing locutions about pizza found in the Podesta mails are a) codewords b) and they are clearly related to child porn has not been established without any doubt. The "dictionary" of the specific terms presented has no clear source and reference, although it's clear that "cheese pizza" has indeed been used in the web before to refer generically to child porn.

Anyway, it's true that the collective investigation brought up very suspicious inclinations from the Podesta brothers. What kind of mind can appreciate the evidently child abuse inspired paintings by that serbian painter (I don't remember the name)? And the facts about Laura Sisby, and Jeffrey Epstein, and the connection of all these people with the Clintons.

There could be something very rotten in all this, not simply regarding single individuals, but a system, just as the old Franklin thing, which seems very real (it was a Republican thing, though) - but the truth is that we don't know. So, claims and statements should be very prudent. The ASSUMPTIONS and what's to be considered proof should be too.

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[–] VeganAnarchy 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Shill detected. People do not joke about friends being their 'favorite pedos' or post pictures of burned child statues and make comments like 'kids don't work like they used to'. Which one of your friends do you refer to as 'your favorite pedo'? Strange how you never mention Alefantis - I'm sure you deem all his instagram posts to be entirely innocent too and see nothing strange about the band 'heavy breathing'. People should not be mindlessly labelled as peadophiles or murderers, ofc, but Alfeantis' friends should be looked into, and his Instagram title 'workingonmahnightcheese' is an immediate red flag and warrants suspicion given everything else that has been uncovered. People hide in plain sight.

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[–] Unthinking 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I think you may agree that speculating that it could be a "hiding in plain sight" situation is not proof that it is.

As for the "favourite pedo thing", well, personally I've always heard people jokingly calling a friend "pedo" when attracted to people younger than his or her age (I'm talking about liking younger adults, not kids, of course).

I'm not saying that you shouldn't look into it, and into these people's Instagram's, I'm not even saying that these people don't look very suspicious - if you take into account all the weird stuff - which tends to be a bit too much to dismiss it as just coincidence.

But I've seen people posting on the CPP Facebook page the picture of the smiling baby with the wrists stuck on a table with tape and writing: "See people?! They're pedos! Look at that poor girl!". Very wrong and unconvincing tactic. That picture (especially alone) is far from damning, and hence the conclusion looks paranoid.

Some of the posts here have loads of information but look a bit like that. Digging info is of course essential, and I'd like to thank people that invest their time and intelligence in this very absorbing process (personally, I admit I didn't help in anyway), but a hysterical and sensationalistic (as micha said) approach doesn't help the credibility nor the investigation.

Don't want to offend anyone with this post, though. It's just my modest advice to - in my opinion - enhance this research. If this community doesn't find it useful, it's not a problem.

I hope that if there's something to be found, it will be, and that the people responsible for it will be stopped. Have a good continuation.

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[–] Alt-white 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Who the fuck upvotes this shit? Stop shilling please. Why do you even feel the need to say this? You're just concern trolling and it's so obvious.

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[–] YingYangMom 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I thought you might have found a smoking gun. Turns out your 'evidence' is none-existent.

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[–] Japaleno 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Well I have to agree. The censorship and corruption around the Clintons is something you can verify, pedophilia isn't. Not saying it's not possible for them to be pedophiles, I mean we know it has happened before.

However to tie everyone together because a few emails out of thousands name pizza and cheese... how do we know those are code words for pedophilia? If we take John Podesta as an example, I think his taste for art is more worrying than naming pizza or pasta. Not saying pizza cannot be used as a code word, just that I'm not convinced that pizza has to do with children.

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[–] GoHeadBeGoneWithIt 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Why are you guys screenshotting instagram pics instead of archiving? screenshots can be faked.

archived this one because he literally says pedo http://archive.is/dLzx7

someone archive the rest!

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[–] Initiate 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

First picture of the last nine you found, literally says "My favorite Pedo @mabadi86...."

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[–] DigForTheKids 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Do you see where he says "My favorite pedo" !!!!!

https://i.sli.mg/Ri9pxk.jpg

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[–] Scirel 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Also, the baby blue AND light pink wristbands are... odd...

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[–] mar007 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

He says, '"Isn't Penn State football looking to hire him?" Didn't the Penn State football coach have a huge sex scandal a while back?

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[–] Nana66 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

WerkinonmahnightCHEESE!!!

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[–] micha_ 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

cheese pizza = child porn -> cheese = child

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