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[–] We_The_People 0 points 54 points (+54|-0) ago 

I watched a lecture of his when I first started reading on Pizzagate. I thought he was bat shit crazy. Now? Not so much. Now I wish he was still alive. He tried so many years to get people to listen, yet we did not. We must not let his life work get shit on again. We must see Pizzagate through whether it's prosecuted or debunked. We owe Gunderson that much.

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[–] THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES 0 points 48 points (+48|-0) ago  (edited ago)

This movement could be renamed Gunderson's Revenge

edit: BTW, his coroner swore that the bladder cancer he had was caused by arsenic poisoning.

http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2012/11/03/dr-edward-lucidi-former-fbi-chief-ted-gunderson-definitely-poisoned-with-arsenic-video/

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[–] blakejharrisnyc 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Oooh, I love that idea.

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[–] YouaremeandIamyou 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Great name for the overall movement, that will hopefully continue after pizzagate is solved. This man is such an inspiring hero. So clear, and so solid.

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[–] hels 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

You're right, the algorithm is far from good. The site is run by 2 guys who want free speech. Funding comes from user donations that are true user donations. There is no major advertising or purchase of how the site is run. Voat has a lot of great users who read /v/new and vote for the useful posts.

I right clicked and opened your link in a new tab and will read it after posting this. I thank you for contributing and have been on Voat over a year and only want the site to grow without outside interference.

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[–] vector3rector 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Agreed. I see mostly useless info on my "hot" pizzagate page. I usually have to click the "new" section to find decent, new info.

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[–] HarrisonArturus 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I want that on a T-shirt: Fake News: It's the New 'Conspiracy Theory'

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[–] Lininkc ago 

Im rather new at posting on these things but because of pizzagate and its evil to these children I realy hope that you all do not give up and keep searching to expose it all.

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[–] RexAxisMundi ago 

We are the weapon! Never forget that.

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[–] Cantilever 0 points 29 points (+29|-0) ago  (edited ago)

It's a simple formula - discredit anyone by using a thought-terminating cliche, like "conspiracy theory" or "fake news."

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[–] pizzapartywithkids 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Here's a new one for people to digest.

"Satanic Ritual Abuse": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Remembers

In the book Michelle Remembers, psychiatrist Lawrence Padzer writes what he initially claims to be a biographical recounting of Michelle Smith, in regards to her abuse as a child. In the book, Padzer coins the phrase (first time its absolutely published) "Satanic Ritual Abuse". The therapy session went on through the 70s and this book was released in 1980. Also important to note that by the time the book was published, Padzer and Smith had become romantically involved. While supposedly a biographical account, numerous people have debunked most of the claims in the book.

So what about Padzer and his phrase? What makes that a false flag phrase?

Pazder returned to Canada in 1964 and completed his psychiatric training at McGill University in 1968.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Pazder

If you're unfamiliar, McGill University in Canada, this is the location where much of the leaked info comes from in regards to MK ULTRA.

8 months before this book was published, some new leaks on MK ULTRA began to break. http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/episodes/40-years-of-the-fifth-estate/mk-ultra

Following the release of this book, it was used as training material for social workers and other investigators that began a large witch hunt for this sort of activity, largely in day cares.

https://web.archive.org/web/20110303215319/http://members.shaw.ca/imaginarycrimes/michelleremembers.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-care_sex-abuse_hysteria

Many of these allegations were flimsy at best and relied on heavy amounts of coercion on the parts of the interviewers. The technique became known as the "Miami Method" after Miami couple Joseph and Laurie Braga began using it to effectively prosecute day care providers, based not on solid evidence, but through multiple corroborating allegations from the children. The recorded interviews were edited to just to areas where the children were expressing allegations and largely omitted the highly leading questions and coercion from the Bragas.

An important question to ask now is how the Bragas reached prominence in their methodology. Janet Reno.

http://www.ourcivilisation.com/decline/chldterr.htm

If you want an idea on the concept of children the Bragas held, just read this interview they did for Frontline.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/terror/techniques/bragatestimony.html

Do you think it would be possible for a young child to be coached about being sexually abused?

It's possible, but it's extremely rare and difficult to do.

Why is it extremely rare and difficult to do?

For one thing, very young kids have very limited memory for things that did not actually occur to them. If you say to a child, for example, "Go upstairs and get your coat and close the door, come down and we are going for a ride," by the time the child goes upstairs, they are going to forget to get the coat, close the door, and they might go back downstairs and forget to do half the things. Children don't have the capacity in terms of their memory to absorb and give back very much, and for a young child, four, five, six years old, it's very limited. There is not a limit in terms of what they actually experience, but in terms of what somebody can teach them and have them remember, and give back in the same way, it's just very limited in young child.

Anyone that has spent time around young children, knows this in general, is total horse shit. Especially when discussing 5 and 6 year-olds. You can get children to repeat just about anything you want them to.

Ultimately, their method was determined to officially be horseshit coercion which resulted in many of the cases being overturned.

So just to recap, we have a book coining the phrase, 'Satanic Ritual Abuse' by a psychiatrist that attended McGill University around the same time as the MK ULTRA experiments, and then later being used as training material for people like Laurie Braga who helped Janet Reno, future Bill Clinton Attorney General, lead a true witch hunt against small name day care centers, by coercing children into false memories of sexual abuse.

What does this all mean? Does this mean Pizzagate is bunk? No. It means MK ULTRA is very likely involved here and very likely planted a major false flag against investigations like Pizzagate. Remember how 'these sort of witch hunts have happened before only to turn up nothing'? Yeah, its these exact cases they are insinuating. All the cases that have turned out to be real, have involved very well known public figures. Let that sink in.

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[–] ALDO_NOVA ago 

interesting that Janet Reno died just days before the election

she knew too much

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[–] hedy ago 

I disagree with most of your post... particularly your assertion that MKU is inexplicably linked to McGill and "all the cases that have turned out to be real, have involved very well known public figures."

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[–] amCassandraAMA ago 

well done.

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[–] micha_ 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Don't forget: without widespread internet you would have never heard about pizzagate! You would know only, what CNN & the club is telling you about it. Without the net they probably would have not even mentioned it.

This is a historical chance. If it can't get investigated now, I am sure they will close this window of opportunity within a few years.

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[–] stickittotheman 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago  (edited ago)

you are correct. The reason they have been allowed to work in the shadows was limited visibility. The world is enjoying a "grand awakening" right now, and it's glorious.

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[–] amCassandraAMA 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

there are two possibilities: they manage to mute it or ignore it with not enough fallout for it to sleepshrink because people give up. Or we reach a critical mass of people that actually start to go on the streets and see that the law enforcement doesnt do anything because it is corrupt to its core too until civil disobedience starts. They will use the armed to the teeth joke of police they own now and it will become civil disorder.

You think they will give up the comfy nest they live in without a fight?

Wake up people, spread the message, get veterans involved, they cant discredit veterans without triggering public hostility.

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[–] THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES ago 

tis indeed

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[–] Doa11 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago 

Child Protective Services Stealing & Sex Trafficking Children Stories Could Get You Killed

http://freedomoutpost.com/child-protective-services-stealing-sex-trafficking-children-stories-get-killed-must-exposed/

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[–] Nightbringer 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

DynCorp shows up yet again.

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[–] RexAxisMundi ago 

Any text about it, many people don't watch video links.

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[–] vacvape 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Wasn't an investigative journalist who was looking into human trafficking by the UN vanished a few years ago?

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[–] poptical-illusionist 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

That's a good find! It's a shame the story didn't take off back then.

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[–] SpikyAube 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Something happened this year to make people much more open to taking notice and believing. I'm not sure what it was though, maybe a number of things, or just a build up of stuff since the start of the war in Iraq.

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[–] nitro169 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

It is a shame, how many children have been harmed because everyone backed off...

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[–] R34p_Th3_Wh0r1w1nd 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

The reason is simple. These allegations will not be investigated by the people who are paid to police these crimes because they are part of the syndicate. It is the same MO of big corporations seizing control of a regulatory agency that oversees that corporation. No one even gets questioned when shit hits the fan. If Trump doesn't do something about it day 1, we will know he is in with them.

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[–] Mooncutter 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

if he moves too fast he will get killed. Probably smarter to slow burn though. But I get what you are saying.

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[–] THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

We will see. The facts that he asked for Obama's birth certificate and kicked Epstein out of his club for life are promising. His adviser tweeted about Pizzagate too. What is not promising is the fact that a significant percentage of his appointees are Zionist million and billionaires. Maybe he is pretending to be Jew'd? He at least knows what is going on. Complicit? Only time will tell.

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[–] constantine11 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

That's what I think. He's keeping his enemies closer than his friends to make it look like he can be bought off. TBH Trump is one of the most awoke people I've seen. Everything he says, even the crazy stuff, turns out to be true. I'm sure his advisors are keeping up with pizzagate

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[–] amCassandraAMA ago 

there are two possibilities: they manage to mute it or ignore it with not enough fallout for it to sleepshrink because people give up. Or we reach a critical mass of people that actually start to go on the streets and see that the law enforcement doesnt do anything because it is corrupt to its core too until civil disobedience starts. They will use the armed to the teeth joke of police they own now and it will become civil disorder.

You think they will give up the comfy nest they live in without a fight?

Wake up people, spread the message, get veterans involved, they cant discredit veterans without triggering public hostility.

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[–] nowimonvoattoo 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Here is something related: Ted Gunderson — The CIA & Satanism Including a very well written piece from 2015 by Gordon Duff, who for some difficult to understand reason recently have been acting as a champion for Hillary and Soros.

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[–] webofslime 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

What we are looking at is a culture of infiltration. Gunderson participated in the tunnel excavation and on tv interviews actively allowing himself to be debunked, at which point he joined the infiltrators. That is why his movement never gained steam.

Gordon Duff also joined the infiltrators. People are easy to buy. If they are principled, they are more easily controlled by blackmail material.

The President of Indonesia was being bribed by both the US and the Russians with a sex tape. Different sex tapes.

One was fake. One was real.

If they want you, they get you.

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[–] stickittotheman ago 

Gunderson had to know about the tunnels

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[–] nowimonvoattoo ago 

Thank you, yes that is unfortunate, it was my own assessment of GD as well. They've almost filled VT with globalists.

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[–] wecanhelp 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I believe this is the single most important watch once you have some knowledge of #pizzagate. It confirms everything, but if this is your first encounter with the topic then it will likely leave you confused and doubtful.

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[–] MommyLove 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Don't let them bury the Truth. Watch this video...where do you think they are getting these kids from???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWngNsOShx4YouTubeYouTubeYouTube

They admit it in their OWN data!!! 74% of likely sex trafficking victims were in the care of SOCIAL SERVICES or FOSTER CARE!!!

http://www.missingkids.com/1in5

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1464668

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