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[–] existentialenso 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Hmmm. This one really could go either way. I have long felt like modern parenting has gotten way too overbearing, and we genuinely do need to be giving kids more space. And the number one reason I hear people give to justify never giving their kid any freedom? Predators. So from the sense of what will best advance this agenda, I totally get why she would feel the need to downplay the threat.

But I will admit that it does seem a bit much. More than a bit much, to tell you the truth. And that logo on that toy looks exactly like the one on the FBI report. Not a very loose match like the double ping pong paddles (that one's a stretch to me) or something that incorporates one of the logos into a more sophisticated design (like Besta). No, that's the exact logo.

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[–] Phobos_Mothership [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I agree that modern parents are overbearing.

But as you noted, there seems to be something else here. It's like she is attempting to use the platform of 'Letting your kids experience life' to downplay the risk of sex predators. I cannot think of why she would attempt to discredit the FBI's identification of a pedophile logo.

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[–] pizzaparallel 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I agree with your first paragraph but I don't think that something's resemblance to something else has to be a bad thing. The symbol was derived from a heart. The fact that pedophiles created a new symbol from a heart doesn't mean that that's the only meaning a similar symbol can have.

And that logo on that toy looks exactly like the one on the FBI report. Not a very loose match like the double ping pong paddles (that one's a stretch to me) or something that incorporates one of the logos into a more sophisticated design (like Besta). No, that's the exact logo.

https://i.sli.mg/7EBxsX.png

Look, with a quick browse on google maps, I found a symbol in Japan that looks JUST like the infamous nazi symbol. Not a loose match but JUST like it. (Because of similar origins)

Does this mean that the Buddhist Temple is actually a hub for Nazi's or that they support nazism in general? No! It doesn't mean that in this context at all.

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[–] existentialenso 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I'm not saying it necessarily means anything, just that it isn't something that I think is reasonable to be so quick to dismiss, like the author of these articles is. It should at least raise a slight bit of suspicion, even if it truly is benign.

The swastika's origins as a Sanskrit symbol isn't really a fair comparison since the other use is also very well known. Anyone who knows anything at all about Eastern religions isn't going to think Nazi when they see it in that context.

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[–] JoeBidenIsCreepy 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Read the comments on the story. Wow, very naive to the world they live in. For this reporter to try to discredit the FBI symbols is disheartening to say the least. We seem to live in a world where fake news is real news, real news is fake news and pedo rings are just a conspiracy theory.

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[–] srayzie 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I would much rather be overprotective than not. Times have changed. There is no keeping your doors unlocked or your children running around when it's dark these days. Sadly, our world is full of bad people.

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[–] pizzaparallel 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I don't get the same impression at all. I think that if anything she gives a more fact-based approach to analyzing perceived risks. I honestly find it rather refreshing because nearly every other parenting thing seems to be insisting on more and more and more control over every aspect of their child's life under the guise of "reasonable caution". There's nothing wrong with letting your child play with a toy that has a heart on it simply because it looks similar to pedophilia symbol. You're not making your child safer by taking that toy away.

The toy argument is over-the-top. Similar symbols may be used among pedophiles but that doesn't mean that the usage in every other context must mean the same thing. Think about basic hand gestures. In the US and many places, the rocker hand symbol (goat horns) is thought to mean something like "rock on". In other places it's a gesture (generally done behind a person's back) to mean that his wife is cheating on him and he's too stupid to know it. In rock concerts where there are hundreds of fans making this symbol, nobody ASSUMES that all these people intend it in the 2nd way. No one can claim the ONLY true meaning of a symbol. Context is important.

And here she is, once again defending a convicted pedophile this time because "He's so old, hes' harmless":

He's not a convicted pedophile. Sex offender is a catch-all category for a variety of sex crimes. While he was a doctor they said that patients reported that he was touching them sexually while a nurse was present. I'm not saying this is ok. However, this is a far cry from being a convicted child molester.

I don't think she's defending pedophiles and pedophilia at all. I think she's just trying to balance out the hysteria reported in the media with facts so that parents can get a better idea of how much of a risk something really is to their child. People can still disagree and take their own precautions but I see nothing wrong with putting information out there so that parents are more informed to make that decision.

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[–] PrideOfOshtekk 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

The downplaying of pedophilia from this woman is immense. She is suspicious; that much is certain.

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[–] thicktail1730947 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

My parents were overbearing. I was generally not allowed out of the house, and asking too much could get me beaten. This was "for my own good," supposedly, "because a predator could get you." I stopped believing that I was being constrained for my own good when I realized that nobody cared if I just left. I spent more and more time just wandering the vicinity. I only got in trouble if I asked permission. I eventually made two attempts to run away from home. Third time was the charm, because I booked an airplane ticket the third time.

This experience makes me leery of naysaying a blog about free range kids, even if that symbol is exactly the logo from the FBI report.

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[–] Phobos_Mothership [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Then you are missing the important part of the story, because this isn't a post about overbearing parents, it's a post about Free Range Kids denying a known pedophile symbol and posting heaps of articles that defend, normalize or dismiss pedophiles as 'the product of paranoid parents' imaginations (paraphrase)"

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[–] thicktail1730947 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I clicked into the website. It looks... unimpressive. If I didn't already agree with the POV it's pushing, these articles wouldn't persuade me. It's sad that this domain isn't in the hands of someone making a better case, and it'd be sadder still if the authors were actually predators.

That old guy whose case you highlighted probably is harmless. If the writer told no lies about his condition, he's psychologically and physiologically incapable of predation due to his failing brain and body. AFAIK his wife is also right about the residency requirements applying only to voluntary residence. Most importantly, he's not a convicted pedophile. He's a convicted gynecologist. There's little reason to suspect that arguing his case in particular covers for pedophiles.

About the logo, I think this blog is being innocently stupid, not criminally disingenuous.

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[–] veritas_vincit 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

The Free Range Kids movement is a thing. It's been covered by HuffPo and other sites over the years; seems to be a well-intended but misguided backlash against helicopter parenting, and I think the articles you shared are brainless justifications of their negligence parental methods against talk of stranger-danger.

I would hesitate before lumping these people into #Pizzagate, although they certainly ought to be aware that pedophilia is a lot more prevalent than they believe.

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[–] Phobos_Mothership [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I am aware that this movement is a thing or i wouldn't have posted it, but if you read more of this particular blog's articles you will find that they are not just saying 'Don't overbear your children'. They are actively trying to dismiss very real fears of pedophilia, and they are even attempting to normalize it. They post highly specific extreme exceptions to the sex offender legislation (people who were caught peeing outdoors or who were falsely accused but still convicted) and attempt to play it off like these exceptions are a majority among sex offenders when that is completely false .

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[–] veritas_vincit 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Phobos, as I said:

I think the articles you shared are brainless justifications of their negligence parental methods against talk of stranger-danger.

Without a good reason to believe this isn't just a classical case of wishful thinking, I'd be careful before crying wolf.

Hanlon's Razor.

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[–] pizzaparallel 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

When does she attempt to normalize it?

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[–] ReinaX 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

there are some very creepy comments there.

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