[–] Kannibal 2 points 19 points (+21|-2) ago  (edited ago)

The picture was more complicated

Stalin, for example, was NOT a Russian

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/jan/25/russia.books

Alexander Solzhenitsyn, who first exposed the horrors of the Stalinist gulag, is now attempting to tackle one of the most sensitive topics of his writing career - the role of the Jews in the Bolshevik revolution and Soviet purges.

In his latest book Solzhenitsyn, 84, deals with one of the last taboos of the communist revolution: that Jews were as much perpetrators of the repression as its victims. Two Hundred Years Together - a reference to the 1772 partial annexation of Poland and Russia which greatly increased the Russian Jewish population - contains three chapters discussing the Jewish role in the revolutionary genocide and secret police purges of Soviet Russia.

But Jewish leaders and some historians have reacted furiously to the book, and questioned Solzhenitsyn's motives in writing it, accusing him of factual inaccuracies and of fanning the flames of anti-semitism in Russia.

Solzhenitsyn argues that some Jewish satire of the revolutionary period "consciously or unconsciously descends on the Russians" as being behind the genocide. But he states that all the nation's ethnic groups must share the blame, and that people shy away from speaking the truth about the Jewish experience.

In one remark which infuriated Russian Jews, he wrote: "If I would care to generalise, and to say that the life of the Jews in the camps was especially hard, I could, and would not face reproach for an unjust national generalisation. But in the camps where I was kept, it was different. The Jews whose experience I saw - their life was softer than that of others."

Yet he added: "But it is impossible to find the answer to the eternal question: who is to be blamed, who led us to our death? To explain the actions of the Kiev cheka [secret police] only by the fact that two thirds were Jews, is certainly incorrect."

Solzhenitsyn, awarded the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1970, spent much of his life in Soviet prison camps, enduring persecution when he wrote about his experiences. He is currently in frail health, but in an interview given last month he said that Russia must come to terms with the Stalinist and revolutionary genocides - and that its Jewish population should be as offended at their own role in the purges as they are at the Soviet power that also persecuted them.

"My book was directed to empathise with the thoughts, feelings and the psychology of the Jews - their spiritual component," he said. "I have never made general conclusions about a people. I will always differentiate between layers of Jews. One layer rushed headfirst to the revolution. Another, to the contrary, was trying to stand back. The Jewish subject for a long time was considered prohibited. Zhabotinsky [a Jewish writer] once said that the best service our Russian friends give to us is never to speak aloud about us."

But Solzhenitsyn's book has caused controversy in Russia, where one Jewish leader said it was "not of any merit".

"This is a mistake, but even geniuses make mistakes," said Yevgeny Satanovsky, president of the Russian Jewish Congress. "Richard Wagner did not like the Jews, but was a great composer. Dostoyevsky was a great Russian writer, but had a very sceptical attitude towards the Jews.

"This is not a book about how the Jews and Russians lived together for 200 years, but one about how they lived apart after finding themselves on the same territory. This book is a weak one professionally. Factually, it is so bad as to be beyond criticism. As literature, it is not of any merit."

But DM Thomas, one of Solzhenitsyn's biographers, said that he did not think the book was fuelled by anti-semitism. "I would not doubt his sincerity. He says that he firmly supports the state of Israel. In his fiction and factual writing there are Jewish characters that he writes about who are bright, decent, anti-Stalinist people."

Professor Robert Service of Oxford University, an expert on 20th century Russian history, said that from what he had read about the book, Solzhenitsyn was "absolutely right".

Researching a book on Lenin, Prof Service came across details of how Trotsky, who was of Jewish origin, asked the politburo in 1919 to ensure that Jews were enrolled in the Red army. Trotsky said that Jews were disproportionately represented in the Soviet civil bureaucracy, including the cheka.

"Trotsky's idea was that the spread of anti-semitism was [partly down to] objections about their entrance into the civil service. There is something in this; that they were not just passive spectators of the revolution. They were part-victims and part-perpetrators.

"It is not a question that anyone can write about without a huge amount of bravery, and [it] needs doing in Russia because the Jews are quite often written about by fanatics. Mr Solzhenitsyn's book seems much more measured than that."

Yet others failed to see the need for Solzhenitsyn's pursuit of this particular subject at present. Vassili Berezhkov, a retired KGB colonel and historian of the secret services and the NKVD (the precursor of the KGB), said: "The question of ethnicity did not have any importance either in the revolution or the story of the NKVD. This was a social revolution and those who served in the NKVD and cheka were serving ideas of social change.

"If Solzhenitsyn writes that there were many Jews in the NKVD, it will increase the passions of anti-semitism, which has deep roots in Russian history. I think it is better not to discuss such a question now."


In Two Hundred Years Together, Solzhenitsyn emphatically denies (in Chapters 9 and 14) that the Russian revolutions of 1905 and 1917 were the result of a "Jewish conspiracy" (just as he had earlier forcefully criticized the extreme nationalists who were and are obsessed with Freemasons and Jews—see, e.g., Russia in Collapse, Chapter 25, “The Maladies of Russian Nationalism”).

you can read the full translated manuscript here

http://www.renegadetribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Solzhenitsyn-200-Years-Together-Encrypted.pdf

[–] we_kill_creativity 0 points 23 points (+23|-0) ago 

And I'm just sitting here wanting to buy a copy of the book in English. This man wrote a scathing condemnation of the Soviet Union, WHILE HE WAS IN THE SOVIET UNION, but his only banned book is the one about Jews...let's pause on that thought for a second.

[–] Kannibal 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago  (edited ago)

I updated my comment to provide a link to a pdf of the full english translation at the bottom

[–] CameraCode 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I recommend an e-paper e-reader as very good investment; it will allow you to read books such as this which are censored or made impossible to buy. It would also be a great excuse to read more in general.

[–] mememeyou 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

There's a video somewhere, where people are interviewed (I think Solz himself too) describing how he and a few accomplices hid the pieces of paper (what would become the book) in separate areas in Russia from Soviet inspections and raids. This truthful information was so powerful, some were willing to die to ensure these facts weren't hidden. Everyone involved are patriots to humanity.

[–] realjewsRnice 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

the gaurdian is fake-fake-news. also tldr.

[–] Kannibal 2 points -2 points (+0|-2) ago  (edited ago)

that is a convenient excuse to handwave everything you dont agree with, or would disprove you wrong

also in this case, shows your lack of attention span in discussing a thing of some importance.

a superior human specimen has the ability to focus a superior intellect for long periods of time

but you could also be too lazy to do so.

[–] curiouserdude 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Stalin was good at identifying psychopaths to do his bidding. His boyhood friend Kamo was one of his first henchman who would gleefully kill for him. Kamo was not that smart and regularly bungled operations and totally screwed up commanding his own unit that he was given after the revolution. That Stalin later found smart psychopaths among the Jews is predictable, Ashkenazis generally being smarter than the average, but not really evidence of a Jewish conspiracy.

Btw, "Young Stalin" by Montifiore is a really fun book by the way. It's the history of Stalin from birth to the Russian revolution. It's a great story about how a bunch of totally crazy guys took over a country. Yes, there are jews among them, but the British are also there, giving them aid, letting them hold conventions in Britain, etc. Stalin goes from training to be a priest, to running crime gangs to fund the revolution to overthrowing the government. If you ever wanted to read about how organized crime can overthrow a country, it's a great read.

[–] PhilKDick 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Thanks. Just try getting print versions of his books critical of the jews!

[–] Kannibal 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

but as noted, even Solzhenitsyn decribes it is complicated and does not make the leap in logic that you do.

Solzhenitsyn does not wholesale blame the jews, and mocks as fools those who do.

it's more complicated.

[–] goatmensch 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

The Tsars refused to set up a Jewish central bank, so the bankers overthrew them.

[–] B166-ER 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Good to see someone remember the important bits of history rather than the endless circle-jerk of the secondary effects.

[–] Honey_Pot 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Search for : killed, murder, died

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolsheviks

[–] Revelations2_9 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Opposing Communist slaughter of Christians is anti-semitic.

[–] BlackSheepBrouhaha 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Disagreeing with Jews is Anti-Semitic.

[–] anon_8a1728 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

The idea that these cabal ultimately have to convince the people of their own country to enslave themselves.

[–] randomfuckingidiot 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

The SPLC has noticed you noticing this. A diverse death squad has been dispatched to your location.

[–] BlackSheepBrouhaha 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

[–] obliviousvoatgoat 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Can I get a source for that quote? Such as when or where he said it? I find the man fascinating and I agree with him so I want to see the context of it.

[–] qwop [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

The source is David Duke's book The Secret Behind Communism.

His book introduction contains a quote which he attributes to Solzhenitsyn on the occasion of a meeting he had with the Nobel laureate in 2002.

https://i.imgur.com/i4Y71Wv.png

Now if you go to ((Wikipedia)) and read about David Duke, you will see he is the devil incarnate, which you can assume is expected after telling us Solzhenitsyn had said such a terrible thing.

You can watch David Duke's interview about his book below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYyvsnyfNoY

[–] miguelserrano 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Stalin was georgin and his actual last name translate to 'son of jews'

Don't forget he studied under Jesuit priests.

The Bolsheviks we're financed by wall St bankers to overthrow the tsars.

Leon Trotsky Bronsteins out biography said the French revolution was a (((Masonic))) conspiracy. And if you look at how (((they))) funded both the French and the Austro-Hungarians, and then how Rothschild in England created a bond panic after Waterloo, before he bought up all the bonds for pennies... You'll see they're playing a long game, and the entire world becomes much simpler.

I believe marx last name was Mordecai.

I think Hitler did lose on purpose, in order to expose the global Jew before the end of the iron age....

I feel we are nearing that point.

2025.

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