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[–] RED-001 1 points 9 points (+10|-1) ago 

He(Valve) and Bethesda tried to monetize a thriving mod community and that plan went to shit. Steam despite making a ton of money still has horrible slow customer service.

I still think Gabe is the savior of PC gaming, but those are some of the grievances people have with him lately. On the positive front Valve implemented an awesome return policy which helped people from getting screwed by WB's new Batman game.

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[–] the_madman 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I think it's funny that they implemented a return policy in such close proximity to Steam Hardware being available for pre-order.

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[–] Ecadace 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Australia had some laws dealing with it, plus the BBB or some similar place giving them the worst customer service out of everyone. Origin and Uplay were both given higher ratings.

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[–] LordCobalt 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I still think Gabe is the savior of PC gaming, but those are some of the grievances people have with him lately. On the positive front Valve implemented an awesome return policy which helped people from getting screwed by WB's new Batman game.

The new refund system was an amazing win for consumer rights, and Gabe seems to be the only one pushing for the adoption of Linux as a valid gaming platform. They're also for pushing the adoption of VR in games. In general it would seem Valve does balance the needs of the consumer with their own business needs well.

That being said: the paid mods fiasco did open my eyes to the reality of just how dominant Valve is as a company. Steam users are essentially stuck in vendor lock-in: they can't move their games to other platforms and they can't launch their games without being authenticated against Valve's servers. Valve can do practically whatever they want. This isn't so much of a problem when they're acting with their users' best interests at heart, but the moment they decide that's too much of a hassle the userbase is SOL. Similar reasons to this are why I dumped Windows ages ago, and it's for these reasons that I don't quite feel that a business man should be revered as our "saviour."

I do appreciate how quickly Gabe about-faced on paid mods when the backlash became apparent, but at the same time some of the statements Gabe made defending the implementation were somewhat wanting in my opinion. Not to mention the wording of the official statement regarding the removal of paid mods made it sound like they were going to attempt the same thing again (albeit for games whose modding communities haven't been established yet). Overall I'm on the fence with regards to Valve and Gabe though I'm certainly leaning much more to the positive side.

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[–] Vulpyn 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I don't think paid mods are a bad idea, just that trying to bring it to Skyrim at such a late stage was an awful decision. Hopefully if they do paid mods they give more to the mod devs (25% was way too low) but overall it should help bring better quality mods! Although, I'm not sure how mods through Steam work, I'm used to using Mod Manager and LOOT etc. and idk how Steam handles conflicting mods and complex load orders.

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[–] the_madman 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

they can't launch their games without being authenticated against Valve's servers.

That's only true of games that actively implement Steam's DRM. There are plenty of games you can download from the Steam store, rip out of the steamapps directory and play while Steam isn't running.

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[–] IShouldNotTalk 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Paid mods, where the game publisher gets a piece of the mod makers income is a terrible idea, simply because publishers will have more incentive to release half completed games and rely of the mod community to make it better, or playable for that matter. Another issue with paying for mods is the compatibility issues that often arise when two or more mods attempt to alter the same asset and crash the game entirely. If I were to buy a several mods and find out later after any refund period that both altered assets and made the game unplayable, then I'd be out of luck.

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[–] Iamabastard 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I don't get why ppl don't give them any credit for at least realising it was a bad idea fast, apologizing and moving on.