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[–] lbruiser 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

You just seem like a correct the narrative or a troll. Since your account is so young, well can you blame anyone for thinking that.

Now to give you a rebuttal (assuming you are neither of the aforementioned). I should preface that I am neither a Hillary nor Donald supporter.

The Trump cucks' sudden crusade for Seth Rich is one of the most disgenuone and disgusting acts of political theater in the modern age.

Seth Rich was a Bernie Sandars supporter. He was also a systems administrator for the DNC. As someone who works in IT (as a systems/network administrator) I understand how easy it is to gain access to an exchange email database. This would be effortless. I almost say we in IT work on a code of honor, or ethics.

Why I say this, because of Wikileaks putting up a bounty for any information of the murder of Mr. Rich. If he had nothing to do with Wikileaks, why would they even care. More over, why didn't the DNC put up some cash to find who killed their staff member.

This implies Mr. Rich took the email, and uploaded it to Wikileaks. However implies is the key word. We currently do not have any definitive proof.


He had an expensive necklace, money in his wallet, and a cellphone that was found on him when the police arrived. Botched indeed. One would assume at least one of these items would have been taken from his person.

DC has a high crime rate to begin with and that particular neihghborhood had already had two robbery recently before Seth's death.

The fact that there are two reported incidences that are reported suggests this is not as common as thought. In truly bad neighborhoods where instances like this happen, it's barely a foot note on the local news. Look for any reports in low income neighborhoods.

These are real facts, not speculation.

You cannot get mad at people for claiming speculation after stating speculation is fact. The facts is as follows

  • Seth Rich was murdered

  • He was a systems administrator for the DNC

  • He was an open Bernie Sandars supporter and was out spoken (social media accounts) about Hillary Clinton winning the DNC nomination

All of this whining and conspiracy is nothing more than a poor distraction from all the actual news

I can see that argument. I would agree to a point, however

Trumps submission to the Saudi family

So far I'm on board

his numerous blunders as POTUS

To generic. I would like to know specifically what you are speaking off so I can properly talk about that statement.

his campaign's activities with the Russians

I need your proof on that. As far as I have seen there is nothing there other than he was open to not starting a war with them. I'm anti-war so ... I'm okay with not going to war.

Trump's own whining about "how hard being president is" like a spoiled brat.

Blown out of proportion, this is what he literally said. Now to me that doesn't sound like he is wining. But that's just my perspective.

All in all, I'm sure you have a reason to believe in your views. We all do. However I would suggest you look further than what main stream media (CNN, Fox, Washington Post, InfoWars, Late night talk show hosts, etc.) say and find your own information. Honestly nothing in the world is cut and dry. To much things to question, and answers we may never get.

I hope that if you are not a troll, you will take this response as an apology for suggesting you were due to your comment and age of your account. Also if you are not a troll, welcome to voat fellow goat. Enjoy the freedom of speech and the lack of shadow-banning/banning due to not following the current hivemind.

:e: Also worst case scenario nothing is found, a few people on the internet wasted their time, and nothing comes from it.


[–] fapper90 2 points -1 points (+1|-2) ago 

I appreciate your respectful candor with your reply. If it's ok, I'd like to address two major points rather than the whole post, for brevities sake.

First, there were likely numerous dissenters within the DNC who were pissed off by the Party's attempt to oust Bernie, but there is zero evidence that the information stolen from their servers was obtained by anyone else but the Russians. While it's true that the FBI never inspected the DNC's servers, it was done by a 3rd-party called Crowdstrike, a company that also investigated the Sony Leaks and its conclusions were supported by the FBI.

In regards to the fact nothing was stolen from person after his murder, this isn't uncommon as criminals often will panic and flee if they are confronted by their victims instead of being submissive. While this a personal anecdote, I think it's relevant to provide context to that point. A student at my high school was murdered in an attempted robbery after he refused to give up his cell phone and car keys to his attackers. After they shot him, they drove off without taking anything. If I were to guess, with the caveat that I don't have any hard evidence to back it up, Seth was likely murdered to prevent him from identifying his assailants.


[–] lbruiser 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

zero evidence that the information stolen from their servers was obtained by anyone else but the Russians

That's my hang up. We know the CIA has tools that when they attack a server they can make it look like it was from a Russian source. I mean, you could go get a VPN from any country, do something blackhat, and make it appear the attack was from that country. Even from Russia.


I would suggest you look into these guys. I follow a systems administrator podcast called TechSnap (Jupiterbroadcasting Network), and over the years I've heard of Crowdstrike's "colorful" decisions. Including their scare propaganda so they can get more work.

I guess my issue is we know the news networks are propaganda machines. Smith-Mundt Act (See below). This is where most people are getting their information on the Russian hacking. Sure Trump supporters will head in sand. I'm also not suggesting we don't investigate. My issue is everyone is acting shifty. We should look into the Seth Rich murder, just as much as the potential of Trump and Russian potential connections.

My only wish is we had kept every President under such hard scrutiny. We just gave a huge pass on Weapons of Mast Destruction, or the signing of the NDAA ("NDAA" is used colloquially for the section added in 2012 allowing indefinite detention of Americans without charges, showing cause, or due process).

I just personally believe if the DNC is doing this for political reasons, and couldn't care about us or what this president can/will do.

Smith-Mundt Act

The Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012, which was contained within the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2013 (section 1078 (a)) amended the United States Information and Educational Exchange Act of 1948 and the Foreign Relations Authorization Act of 1987, allowing for materials produced by the State Department and the Broadcasting Board of Governors (BBG) to be available within the United States.[1][2] The Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012 effectively returned the legislation to the original purpose before Senator J. William Fulbright (D-AR) amended the Smith-Mundt Act to prevent his colleagues in the U.S. Senate, Members of the U.S. House of Representatives, as well as the U.S. media and academia from reviewing, except in Washington, D.C., or otherwise reusing or material produced by the United States Information Agency.[3]