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[–] pipispapas 2 points 48 points (+50|-2) ago 

she had leased a Jeep Cherokee in 2001 so you should stop being misogynists.

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[–] bishopolis 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Ms Pao?

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[–] Pawn 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Ms. Pao did a kung pao to reddit and it keeled over and became deaddit.

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[–] EndDrugAndOtherWars 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

She watched Last of the Moheekans and felt sad. A trail of tears it left, ruining her makeup.

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[–] PaperForPlastic 3 points 22 points (+25|-3) ago  (edited ago)

This is what happens when you deny white people a cultural identity. Being into European culture is a big no,no anymore. Being exotic/ethnic is where all the social currency is these days.

Also, women are constantly pretending to be someone they're not, this should not come as a surprise.

  • Fake hair
  • Fake eyes (color and skin surrounding them)
  • Fake skin tone (even if just on their face)
  • Fake nails
  • Fake body shape
  • Fake lips
  • Fake tits
  • Fake ass
  • Fake smell
  • etc, etc, etc...

Being a modern independent women is basically about being as fake as possible to get attention.. and then saying that they were doing it for themselves (to get attention for themselves, obviously).

The outcome of these two things combined should be obvious to anyone willing to be honest about it.

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[–] Wallace_II 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Yep if I say I'm proud to be a white male and start a group that benefits only white males, suddenly I'm a racist and a sexist. However I can have woman only, black only, native American only, or any other group that I want so long as it isn't specifically white or male only.

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[–] Call_Me_Kelly 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

There are men with fake skin color (spray or tanning bed tans) tattoos, peircings, fake pectoral implants, ass implants, calf implants, fake eye colors (contacts), fake smell (body spray/deodorant )... etc. etc etc

Why make it a woman thing when it's a human thing?

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[–] PaperForPlastic 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago  (edited ago)

There are men with fake skin color (spray or tanning bed tans) tattoos, peircings, fake pectoral implants, ass implants, calf implants, fake eye colors (contacts), fake smell (body spray/deodorant )... etc. etc etc

Every single one of those things is FAR more frequent with women... and with the exception of deodorant and tattoos (which are pretty lame, IMO... and don't really count anyway because they're more about fitting in socially than lying about who you are), men who do these things are mocked (because no one likes poseurs).

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[–] CoolerThanAllOfYou 4 points 3 points (+7|-4) ago 

So, because a woman decides to wear makeup, tan, paint her nails, and wear perfume, she is trying to be someone else? A woman can't do that simply because they enjoy it and like the way they look. By that same comparison, if a man cuts his hair, grows it out, has a beard, shaves, wears cologne, gets tattoos, aren't they then trying to be something they aren't?

This woman purposefully said she was a different race. Not implied it, not suggested, actually said and benefited from being a race she plain is not. It really isn't anything like your analogy.

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[–] PaperForPlastic 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago  (edited ago)

By that same comparison, if a man cuts his hair, grows it out, has a beard, shaves,

That's just maintenance of what's naturally there. If it were common for men to wear wigs and extensions on their heads and faces (to the degree that they refused to be seen without them), you might have a point. There really isn't anything "deceitful" about a haircut. Try harder.

It really isn't anything like your analogy.

Really? You think so?

Let's see...

Not implied it, not suggested, actually said and benefited from being a race she plain is not.

In other words: she benefited from claiming to be something she's not

Tell me, how is that NOT anything like my "analogy"?

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[–] zophan 12 points 20 points (+32|-12) ago 

I don't know if this is going to get any traction, but here's something that bothers me.

Yes it's disingenuous to claim to be something that you're not... but that said, does it really matter? This is a woman who identifies as Cherokee and has devoted her life to learning about the culture and teaching it, as well as advocating for understanding of it. We find out she has no ancestral connection, but she's lived her life in the state of mind of belonging.

Does one have to be a part of a group to be a proponent of it?

Let's say someone goes through their entire life, gets a degree in mathematics, contributes to the field for 20 years and then it's discovered that they missed a credited course which invalidates their degree, does that invalidate everything they've contributed to the field?

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[–] BoiseNTheHood 2 points 51 points (+53|-2) ago 

But she didn't present herself as a "proponent" of Cherokee culture. She claimed to be Cherokee and she isn't. She has been living a lie, and that does diminish her credibility.

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[–] maxoverdrive 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

Exactly so. It matters because the truth matters. Her "fees fees" are of no fucking relevance to the truth. It doesn't matter what you "identify" as, it matters what you are. The truth doesn't give a fuck what you want it to be.

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[–] sudo_intellectual 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Has she been living a lie or living with the stories passed to her by her mother? Even in the face of credible evidence to the contrary, how easily would you give up the identity you've always lived and believed? We don't know whether she's knowingly misleading people or passionately following what she's always believed.

I don't believe anyone or any group can "own" culture in such a way as to exclude others from it. If she does not have blood related ancestors, she certainly is part of the culture and community after living her whole life believing herself a group member.

If she's faking and not earnest, that's very cringy. Just as cringy is going after her for not having the right blood. What if she'd been adopted by a native family? Would they be hoisting the pitchforks then, or is this just another case of controversy for the sake of publicity and attention?

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[–] zophan 3 points 7 points (+10|-3) ago  (edited ago)

Oh come on, comparing yourself to a fictional entity that exists in a fantasy world is a far cry from self-identifying as a very real thing.

Let's look at this from the other side for a second.

My wife's grandmother identified as Caucasian for 50+ years of her life. Why, because that's what she was told as she grew up. She decided to look into her ancestry, Ancestry.com was becoming a big thing, and found out she was Metis and could trace her lineage back to Cuthbert Grant and the French/Native relations of Upper Canada during colonial times.

Now, she is technically only 1/128th native, but can still legally check the box for aboriginal status and visible minority and identify as Metis. Is she wrong for not using a new self-identification? To believe you are something for so long and then be told that you aren't, it's a hard realization.

Now let's consider someone who is told they belong to a minority group. Out of a sense of feeling unique in a certain way, people tend to embrace that identity. Is it no wonder that after believing something for so long and finding out it's a lie, a certain level of cognitive dissonance can kick in and one may stick their heels in and fight it?

Yes, she demonstrably isn't Cherokee, but it does not warrant the backlash that she has been receiving.

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[–] agent-99 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

it's kind of like religion. just because you believe there's a god, doesn't mean there is. that makes it easy to see why one would think it's totally okay to do this, because millions of ppl do it.

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[–] Spacehuman 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago 

But she has known for decades that she has no claim to Cherokee ancestry at all. They asked her to stop claiming she does and purporting to speak on their behalf but she largely ignores them.

Cherokee genealogist David Cornsilk confirmed to The Daily Beast that he analyzed Smith’s genealogy at her request twice in the 1990s, finding no evidence of Cherokee ancestry either time. In response to Smith’s latest claim, Cornsilk again told The Daily Beast that she is not Cherokee and challenged her to share her ancestry publicly if she continues to label herself as Cherokee.

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[–] Stealing_thunder 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

It depends, case by case.... But this woman knew and was purposely being disingenuous in order to have some sort of validity. Had she not known, and was raised in the Cherokee tradition and culture then she would have been imho a true native, the same way an adopted child becomes part of a family's culture.

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[–] zophan 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

Your second sentence is dead on, but I disagree with your first. Personal fraud, yes. Academic... not close.

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[–] minlite 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

And then we have people bitching about white privilege... Ha

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[–] voat-simulator 4 points -3 points (+1|-4) ago 

Her gender really has nothing at all to do with it.

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[–] CatNamedJava 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

I think he was just referring to her with a pronoun, instead of using an gender neutral identifier. His statement was gender related but was a function of the convention of the English language.

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[–] Spacehuman 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

It is my hope that more Indigenous peoples will answer the call to work for social justice without fear of being subjected to violent identity-policing

Wow! Let that sink in. She is calling for other (presumably non-native) people to share her delusion and 'identify' as Native American.

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[–] Mel_Gibson 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

If someone wants a job and the only way to get it is by lying about your race I applaud them. Employment should be based on merit, skill, and willing to work. Same as the transblack woman for the naacp who did a BETTER job than any previous naacp rep in her district.

Love how social progressiveness has gotten so ridiculous and is now being taken advantage of.

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[–] FreeSpeachRocks 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

It's amazing how far some people will go to be 'victims'.

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[–] chmod 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Happened again? Oh, like Elizabeth Warren.

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