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[–] Wuttier 1 points 79 points (+80|-1) ago 

He hits it right on the nail with this:

“Who most wants you to stay on the grid?” he said. “The advertisers. Your boss. Human Resources. The advertisers. Your parents (irony of ironies — once they distrusted it, now they need to tag you electronically, share your Facebook photos and message you to death). The advertisers. The government. Your local authority. Your school. Advertisers.”

“If you’re young and have an ounce of pride, doesn’t that list say it all?” he added.

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[–] Martel-Sobieski2016 1 points 48 points (+49|-1) ago 

Delete facebook. Delete instagram. Delete Twitter. If you want to talk to your friends, call them or text them. Face to face is best.

You don't need these intrusive shrines to our own narcissism.

It only serves to make you feel depressed about your own life by only showing you the highlights of everyone elses.

It leeches your information and slowly leads us down an Orwellian path.

It's like when people got pissed off about Facebook changing their privacy policy for their app to basically sell their information. It apparently didn't occur to these people that you can just delete it and not use them.

Humanity got along just fine without these cancers. You don't need them.

I'm so thankful I finally wised up and deleted my Facebook.

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[–] Wuttier 1 points 12 points (+13|-1) ago 

I was so happy when I finally deleted Facebook. And, thankfully, I never had any of the other social media.

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[–] reivin 1 points 10 points (+11|-1) ago 

Thank you for your well stated post. I'm so glad more and more people are coming to this realisation. Not that long ago, people were getting ostracized for not having a Facebook or social media acct of some kind. In fact, the media pushed an agenda going so far as to have "experts" label a person as having psychological problems for not having an acct. Some businesses wouldn't even hire you if they couldn't search your personal life via social media, stating "well adjusted" people would have a public Facebook acct. (The company I worked for adopted that policy a couple years before I left it for another, more sane, relaxed position at another company that does not have those policies.)

I was not a participant in Facebook or Twitter, and the like. I used to have a LinkedIn acct and dumped that. If not having social media accts makes me wrong for not wanting that kind of invasion into my life, I don't want to be right. No one should be forced or feel pressured into becoming a searchable animal at a zoo for people.

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[–] Foobarbaz 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Social has its values that aren't to be underestimated. As I'm traveling to, say, Amsterdam -- I took pictures (people did this with "film" back in the day, by the way -- so taking pictures isn't a new thing that started a few years ago). I wanted to share those pictures with people.

You'd be surprised at how annoying it is to share them on Facebook but not on Instagram. I could make a public Instagram and just upload them without a care and no one needed an account to view it. Facebook? Need an account. Twitter? Annoying as fuck to view. All I wanted was to go "hey, here's a bunch of pictures of cool shit" (eh, I say a bunch, maybe 30? over two weeks?). Instagram was still kind of annoying because I would have prefered a bulk upload and individual edit but w/e.

Facebook is handing for advertising events and basic "hey, here's what's up" for people you haven't been in connection with for a while. Some people I still keep in touch with occasionally and have an annual-ish get together. It's nice to go "Hey, I'm going to the beach Saturday and we're leaving at 8am. Who wants to go?" and make an event. This makes it a fuck ton easier to plan for.

The problem here isn't the media itself -- it's how we use it. We wanted a one-size fits all tool. Many have an unchecked ego so they describe every meal, every bowel movement. -- but sometimes it's cool to go "Hey, I'm at this fancy place -- look at this amazing food!" but what's not cool is to take a picture of your amazing 10 piece McNuggets and Fryville you purchased.

And, further, no one needs any of them -- that's a mistaken perception I think. I think the real problem is they make certain things so ridiculously convenient that we prefer them over other methods. It's pretty cool to be able to talk about Amsterdam then go "oh, I have the COOLEST beach picture while I was in the Netherlands, here check this out!" because you couldn't do that with film because it was at your house. Humans did just fine without soda, candy, and chips, didn't we? Technically speaking we managed just fine without cars. There's plenty of things we managed "just fine" without but that's not what this is about.

No, my friend, I think the problem isn't the media -- I think it's people lack of self control. I think people get their ego wrapped up in stupid shit. I have ~ 177 friends. Most of my other friends have ~800. Fuck that noise, I go through a purge of "who the fuck are you?" every few months (usually some random person I met at a bar that I haven't seen and don't particularly care to know their bowel habits). I think this is in no small part due to how fast technology has changed our way of life. Nothing has done this before and we aren't evolved to handle this rate of change.

When I tag myself as going drinking it's an open invitation for my friends to come out and know I'm there. If I don't tag myself it's a "I want to drink, be alone, and read my book or watch sports; I do not wish to talk".

My smart watch is handy and reminding me to get up and move. My smart phone is great at having a nice list of my medications, conditions, etc that emergency services can have access to (very important for me for medical reasons). All of which I could certainly live without but they make my life much easier. I've been using my watch to track my bike rides and exercising -- it's nice to see how I'm doing so I can show my cardiologist.

If we want to remove something from our lives I'd start with cable television before I'd start with social media. I think you'd see A LOT more productivity from people by doing that alone but I'm fairly certain I'm a minority in that opinion.

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[–] nobslob 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

connecting and networking with people is a great idea, there is nothing inherently wrong with it like you are implying. Shrines to our own narcissism, what kind of self hating bullshit is that?

The problem is using a central authority to manage your social network. That problem will work itself out as technology evolves. There are already decentralized happenings in the water. Openbazaar just came out, almost the same thing but for flea markets instead of social networking.

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[–] Drejul 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

I am talking to someone right now that just doesn't care that they are being spied on.

"You are one person out of millions, why would they care about spying on you?"

People just don't care enough that their rights are being violated and will eventually completely vanish. People are ALREADY being Vaporized...

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[–] Wuttier 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

It's that short-sightedness that makes my blood boil and lose all hope in mankind for a discussion and making them understand the dangers.

I mean, come on, anyone who spends at least two minutes of critical thinking would come to the same conclusion that it will cost you your freedom in most privacy related facets of life if this continues. All with same method of two steps forward, and one back... It boggles the mind.

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[–] theburntsausage 0 points 40 points (+40|-0) ago 

i think we need to go back to more anonymity.....

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[–] Mylon 1 points 8 points (+9|-1) ago 

Facebook thinks I have malware and wants me to run their scanner and only their scanner. It sounds exactly like the "Drink a Verification Can" copypasta come to life.

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[–] awshidahak 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Facebook has their own fucking scanner now? Yeah. No way that's creepy.

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[–] Rellik88 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

I posted some anti liberal link on FB a while ago. All of a sudden I was logged out and told I have to run a malware scan.

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[–] k_digi 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

we need to start a campaign to get more 'grass roots' people onto places like Voat :

https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/comments/997249

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[–] oftotc 2 points 13 points (+15|-2) ago 

Which domain is banned that has you so upset?
Which user is banned that has you so upset?
Which subverse is banned that has you so upset?
Which submission was banned that has you so upset?
Which comment was banned that has you so upset?
Which user was censored through downvoating that has you so upset?
Which rogue mod is still allowed that has you so upset?
Circlejerk? That's a reddit exclusive?
Hive mind? There's plenty of healthy disagreement on voat.
When did anyone demand safe spaces?
Cats are cool. Goats are cool too.
Which user is being ignored by the admins that has you so upset?

We are similar to reddit. That's not so bad, is it?

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[–] dildonkers 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Aside from the FPH safe space, I've never been banned on any sub, I've had maybe 5-10 submissions out of thousands deleted and never had a comment deleted by a mod.

The one thing that shouldn't happen is that downvoated comments get hidden, but voting itself is democracy.

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[–] luckyguy 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

OK, so go to masterchan.

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[–] Wuttier 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

And this is why tons of privacy advocates have been in action against this type of behaviour from the beginning, and try to educate people. In your example of searching online with Google, try duckduckgo or Startpage. They don't collect data. Install uBlock (adblocker), cookie deleters, and Disconnect. Don't use Gmail, Outlook or Yahoo, try one of the newer ones like Protonmail or Tutanota. To avoid any hassle, install a VPN. Instead of WhatsApp, try Viber or Telegram.

However, with all these measures, most people still use them because everyone they know has it. It takes a stronger mind to just say no to all of it. To fight against this type of corporatism. Yet we fail due to the stupidity of mankind, because most put in a minimal amount of effort to self-educate themselves, take action and do all of these countermeasures.

So yeah, I get why Stephen Fry tries to set an example.

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[–] 0x5f3759df 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Why would you need Google, though? They could very easily set up their own website. Don't people know how to type a url anymore?

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[–] buildweb 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

people cant even internet anymore :(

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[–] ShinyVoater 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Googling it every day to find out?

There was a solution to that, once. RSS was created as a way to keep track of continuous updates, but it isn't really popular anymore it seems.

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[–] david_j 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

That's because it didn't have breitbart.com as part of it. Let's face it, on voat that means a hell of a lot more than stephenfry.com.

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[–] Norm85 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

He was probably told to apologise or no more media work for him.

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[–] CowboyXero 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

He probably apologized for the comments made during the interview. The fact that the essay is still up doesn't suggest that he apologized for that. I wouldn't.

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[–] ding0bait 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

IMO, he took the easy way out. Someone like Fry could do a lot to change the tolerance levels for SJWs and big-brother style bullshit. But he chose to cut and run. In the meantime, gays like him are being thrown off roofs and questioning the narrative that these invaders are helpess children is racist.

The best way to fight tyrants is with freespeech and sunlight. Fry opted to hide.

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