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[–] 2mac 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Facts are simple and facts are straight Facts are lazy and facts are late Facts all come with points of view Facts don't do what I want them to Facts just twist the truth around Facts are living turned inside out Facts are getting the best of them Facts are nothing on the face of things Facts don't stain the furniture Facts go out and slam the door Facts are written all over your face Facts continue to change their shape

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[–] Giraffestronaut 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

The psychologist set up the “ask me anything” thread on Reddit. Their identity was not revealed but was verified by the website.

I guess you'd have to explain to me why you think Reddit staff are lying about his credentials, or what your point was if you don't think they are.

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[–] Sippio 6 points 48 points (+54|-6) ago 

Well technically it is. It can also be considered a mental disorder, and the lines between orientation and mental disorder can be blurry at best.

We oppose paedophilia in order to protect children. Full stop. We all agree that children are not capable of this kind of decision-making, and should therefore not be sexually involved with adults. It has nothing to do with punishing adults just for having a sexual attraction we have deemed unacceptable. Of course it should remain illegal, but the self-righteous hatred some of us have for these people is preventing them from seeking real help that might prevent a child from becoming their victim.

If we lose focus on why it is wrong, then it's hardly different than the way we treated fags in the 1950s.

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[–] Quawonk 2 points 15 points (+17|-2) ago  (edited ago)

Nice to see a rational comment voted to the top for once rather than the kneejerk emotional rah rah rah kill em all that we usually get.

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[–] peacegnome 2 points 8 points (+10|-2) ago 

Voat is becoming more rational each day, it is nice.

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[–] Gargilius 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

...is it about protecting children or punishing said attraction? isn't kiddy porn not involving actual kids banned as well?

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[–] peacegnome 2 points 5 points (+7|-2) ago 

Yes, this is because we have puritanical laws that punish people's thoughts (and there are no victims of thoughts). Another funny one is that you can sleep with a 17 year old in most us states, but don't you dare have a naked photo of them.

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[–] MensAgitatMolem 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

According to the DSM-V disorders are any mental state that is abnormal, and causes distress and/or disrupts basic daily life. Even if it's an orientation, It is also a disorder that should be treated as such, until a crime has been commited.

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[–] devnulll 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Next thing we know - they will need 'safe' spaces too, right? To talk about children... It is psychological bullshit that has nothing to do with having sex. It is NOT a sexual orientation, is it a sexual preference - big difference there.

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[–] luckyguy 4 points 13 points (+17|-4) ago  (edited ago)

If that makes you mad then reality will make you madder. A lot of what society mislabels as pedophilia is normal. As in normal heterosexual behavior and not an odd orientation. The median male says the the prime of physical attractiveness is 14 with 15 following within the margin of error. 16 close to that, 17, then either 13 or 18 next. I definately wouldn't respond 13 myself but a vast plurality say 14, 15, or 16.

What I can tell having talked to a lot of actual pedos is that the claims made by that expert are true. They have a real obliviousness to it not being normal leading me to realize that for them it is not a pursued deviency like a kink but opperates like standard attraction.

Hense on voat when jailbait was popular some would insesently post preteen stuff people would post that stuff and they didn't seem to be trying to get anybody's goat, they genuinly couldn't differentiate jailbait from preteen. Normally attractive from not attractive.

This is why I think we should only punish actual harm instead of a lot of the arguably thought crime a lot of people are advocating for. These people, confining our view only to thoughts haven't by any of their own conseption done any wrong. You can't punish people for having a different mental context, particularly if they might have a high enough IQ to recognize that they aren't normal and can make the concience choice to not do anything.

When you work with women you can find yourself attracted to them. That doesn't turn you into a rape machine. Some of these people do have some sense of responsibility.

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[–] Adminstrater 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

When you work with women you can find yourself attracted to them. That doesn't turn you into a rape machine. Some of these people do have some sense of responsibility.

You're perfectly right.

Humans are social creatures and our behaviour reflects that. To be a social creature we have to evolved with a high intelligence to create and follow such a system, and we set appropriate rules to keep society safe. High IQ is required to recognise a level of responsibility within society. Being attracted to a person under the age of legal adulthood is not a crime, but society created a system to protect itself from itself that was reasonable to keep order, and with the safety and wellbeing of society in mind. Respectively, laws today reflect society's attitude towards its trust in it's people's intelligence.

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[–] Tb0n3 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Sauce on the median physically attractive age?

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[–] ChromeWeasel 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

"A lot of what society mislabels as pedophilia is normal."

This, and it's worth calling out specifically. Many people in Western societies are completely ignorant of the definition of a pedophile. That's a person who is sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children.

Many people use the term pedophile to refer to anyone who is attracted anyone under the age of 18. That's NOT 'pedophilia'. Being attracted to a person who is biologically mature and capable of reproductive sex is not abnormal. By definition it's the opposite of pedophilia if what turns you on is capable of procreation. Most 15-18 year-olds fit that definition. It may be distasteful to modern western society and illegal, but that's a whole different scenario than being sexually attracted to children that haven't developed to sexual maturity.

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[–] Diogenes_The_Cynic 1 point 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

Its kinda amazing how much political power the opinions of psychologists hold.

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[–] knightwarrior41 1 point 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

they are the "priests" and "sages" of this "new age"

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[–] 4859874? 1 point 1 point (+2|-1) ago 

Yup. Homosexuality- pedophilia- polygamy-beastiality. Why stop there?

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[–] bubbleki 5 points 4 points (+9|-5) ago  (edited ago)

Pedophilia is not an orientation. It is a fetish. Sexual domination in it's most extreme form. In normal people, sexual domination can be expressed healthily. In a psychologically damaged individual this desire for sexual power runs amok and thus finds the most helpless victims in order to assuage the desire.

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[–] Zardoz 1 point 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

Some of us are old enough to remember that NAMBLA (it was a pedo 'civil rights' group) actually did join right into the gay pride neo-marxist parades and considered themselves part of it from the very beginning. (blocked, Henry Hay, black and white gay activist loving Nambla in pride parades) It was quite quickly told to GTFO and keep quiet.

Now, as soon as you saw gays get X and Y here comes 'Gay Youth'. and then some of these pedos (see: Ontario, Wynne, sick stuff) getting it put in Public School Curriculums.. teaching kids that sucking dinks and gay sex is something they were born to do and 'are' FFS.

So yes, of course they will be back. They've already fought to reduce age of consent for 'male-male' (often higher in various places) and not only will many happily screw 14 year olds if they can - they will even consider it 'holy' and 'good' after all liberating these boys who obviously want it but if not for even white conservatives stopping it.

Oh its here. So is animal sex. Its on.

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[–] Troll 3 points 1 point (+4|-3) ago 

WHY CAN'T I HOLD ALL THIS DIVERSITY AND TOLERANCE?!

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[–] HeavyBrain ago 

Because you are a recist -phobic -ism shitlord.

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[–] alalzia 3 points 1 point (+4|-3) ago 

And to be a criminal is a social orientation .

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