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[–] CobraStallone 1 points 98 points (+99|-1) ago 

If you don't count extended periods of solitary confinement as torture, for starters.

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[–] SuperConductiveRabbi [S] 1 points 63 points (+64|-1) ago 

Now why would a country that considers itself a paragon of human rights consider an internationally recognized form of torture as actual torture?

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[–] FireForEffect 2 points 55 points (+57|-2) ago 

Pretty loose question, Saudi Arabia considers itself a paragon of human rights, too.

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[–] Baseborn 1 points 25 points (+26|-1) ago 

"Would I approve waterboarding? You bet your ass I would. In a heartbeat. I would approve more than that. … and if it doesn’t work, they deserve it anyway for what they do to us" - Donald Trump

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[–] ScreaminMime 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

or temperature extremes, or offered nothing but horrendous food, or locked in a room with rapists, or...

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[–] heili 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Being rectally force fed.

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[–] heili 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

That promise is meaningless from a government that does not consider waterboarding to be torture.

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[–] TheRealVladimirPutin 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I would prefer solitary confinement as long as I had access to books or something.

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[–] CobraStallone 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

So would I in a way, but I've also read about how prolonged solitary confinement causes prisoners significant mental harm. It prompts psychological torture no question.

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[–] hbckada 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

You pretty much summed it up. It's depressing.

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[–] INTERNET_TRASHCAN 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Petty, needledicked assholes at the highest levels of every department. Also the lowest levels. Everywhere. Needledicks everywhere.

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[–] bdmthrfkr 2 points 52 points (+54|-2) ago 

Hero.

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[–] Pawn 0 points 52 points (+52|-0) ago  (edited ago)

He's a patriot. He lost his job, his sweet job, and everything else so the people would know. History will long remember his sacrifice, and immortalize him as a hero of the 21st century.

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[–] lord_nougat 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

21st century, actually.

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[–] Totenglocke 0 points 20 points (+20|-0) ago 

If we had a single presidential candidate who publicly called Snowden a national hero, I'd actually vote for them.

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[–] curomo 0 points 24 points (+24|-0) ago 

Literally the only way one could get my support.

None of the wall shit or free college is anything a President can actually do without the support of Congress. But a full pardon for the whistle blowers that Obama persecuted and a medal of freedom for Snowden is the only thing a President could actually do to try to start righting this country.

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[–] chance_pictures 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

A real human bean.

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[–] rspix000 0 points 42 points (+42|-0) ago 

There's a guy who Bush gave a lifetime federal judgeship to who wrote a memo concluding that water boarding (that we put Japanese Generals to death for) is not torture.

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[–] SuperConductiveRabbi [S] 2 points 28 points (+30|-2) ago  (edited ago)

Anyone who argues that it's not torture should only do so after enduring it for however many hours detainees are subjected to it, with no safeword.

There is 0% chance that any human on the entire planet would believe that it's not torture.

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[–] iamjanesleftnipple 0 points 24 points (+24|-0) ago 

Eric "Mancow" Muller says it's not torture, lasts 6 seconds, changes mind: https://youtu.be/qUkj9pjx3H0?t=119

Ed Clay: "Until I have it done, I can't form an opinion". Lasts longer, but says he wanted to tap out 5 seconds in. And admits they were being gentle with the water. Final verdict: "If you don't think that's torture, then you are not a smart person" - https://youtu.be/823cXoWW9Gw?t=159

And, my favorite, Mr. Christopher Hitchens. He knows it is torture going in to it, but goes through it anyway. - https://youtu.be/4LPubUCJv58?t=107

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[–] rspix000 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

I'm still waiting for Hannity.

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[–] lodecesky 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Christopher Hitchens tried it. Believe Me, It’s Torture

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[–] thatguyiam 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

So then we are sliding backward on human rights

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[–] ObviouslyAHuman 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

Maybe we never progressed.

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[–] mcwilshire 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

water boarding (that we put Japanese Generals to death for)

Not quite accurate. Six Japanese defendants were put to death for war crimes. Some, but not all, were convicted of committing atrocities against civilians and prisoners. All of those committed widespread atrocities. Like mass murder atrocities.

To say that we put generals to death for waterboarding is like saying we put Timothy McVeigh to death for willful destruction of a rented U-Haul.

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[–] Mut 0 points 28 points (+28|-0) ago 

Why did the audience find that funny? It made me sick to my guts.

The attorney general cant promise a fair trial, but feels like he has to promise that a US citizen wont be tortured?

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[–] SuperConductiveRabbi [S] 0 points 26 points (+26|-0) ago 

Because if you don't laugh you'll cry.

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[–] 4406174 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

We're just conditioned by entertainment media to respond to absurdity with laughter. It's nobody's fault in particular, just society.

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[–] elcob32 0 points 21 points (+21|-0) ago 

Did they promise not use enhanced interrogation techniques as well? That's how they get you.

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[–] revofire 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I need a lawyer to read the fine print. This contract just doesn't seem to be in my favor.

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[–] FireForEffect 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Well I mean, he's in a shitty spot.

Either he sits in foreign countries all the rest of his life, the chances of getting "caught" and brought back home increasing with each day.

Or.

He comes home and gets locked away, denied a fair trial, probably get fucked up pretty good for a while there.

I can't say that what the NSA did, does and will continue to do is right, or just, or fair.

I can't say that spilling the beans on stuff like that and asking super-dee-duper nicely to not be unfavorably treated if and when he comes back to face the music is all that realistic of a thing to ask in his position.

He made the big leap. There's no going back, there's no mulligans, there's no second chance. Either he shifts his weight to the left or the right, but the leap has been made and at some point he's going to make contact with the ground.

Whether you think he's a hero or a villain is pretty much moot at this point, because his leaking of stuff didn't rightly change very much except we now know, for sure, that we're being fucked - the fucking is still going on. It hasn't stopped, and it's never going to. But at least we know about it now.

So. I dunno, tough situation all around - and he's got some careful moves to make from here til the day the bell rings.

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[–] Protoshift 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

as someone from outside the US looking in. Sometimes knowing about it is all it takes, change might not happen right away, but there are young people out there who will continue to fight for whats right and just in his stead simply because they now know.

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[–] issueninja 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

They will torture him. The word of US gov officials means exactly nothing.

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[–] Protoshift 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

hes too high profile, if he was just suddenly gone a shitload of alarm bells would ring. If removing the influence he has rightfully earned was as simple as ghosting him or just outright staging an accident, it would have already been done.

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