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Yes, people like Dick Cheney and Danial Perle, and Paul Wolfowitz and all the rest of 'em neocons thought they had clever ideas and could reshape the world to their vision. Yet their "operating system" was based on cold war logic. So when 911 happened (no, it was not an "inside job") these "smart guys" (clever but ignorant of Islam) took control of the situation and directed the invasion of Iraq. And then they got Obama to topple Qaddafi.
These people really thought that they could then have a Sunni democracy movement take power and fight off the Jihadists with their aid. And the USA would play backstop to any slide in power of these more pliant politicians. Hey, "democracies are more peaceful" was and is a accepted truism even today.
(See, we are not totally in disagreement. There is some conspiracy, you just give it too much credit. I just reject the notion that these people have superhuman insights and predictive abilities and that what we see TODAY are what they wanted /expected).
Where we diverge is that you think this "Project" is everything/the most important thing and I see FOURTEEN HUNDRED YEARS of Islam's consistent and cohesive war on the world as being far more significant and representing the most important reality today. In a world where the only ideological split is really between Secular Humanism vs Nationalism against Islamism/Islamofascism, I think my take is more valid than your take. Yes, Oligarchs and Capitalist interests are also in the mix but these are just narrow interests and have no consistent effect. The bigger "clash of civilizations" reality is what actually drives the events we are seeing.
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[–] novictim ago
You did not understand the Meta message of my comment.
Yes, people like Dick Cheney and Danial Perle, and Paul Wolfowitz and all the rest of 'em neocons thought they had clever ideas and could reshape the world to their vision. Yet their "operating system" was based on cold war logic. So when 911 happened (no, it was not an "inside job") these "smart guys" (clever but ignorant of Islam) took control of the situation and directed the invasion of Iraq. And then they got Obama to topple Qaddafi.
These people really thought that they could then have a Sunni democracy movement take power and fight off the Jihadists with their aid. And the USA would play backstop to any slide in power of these more pliant politicians. Hey, "democracies are more peaceful" was and is a accepted truism even today.
(See, we are not totally in disagreement. There is some conspiracy, you just give it too much credit. I just reject the notion that these people have superhuman insights and predictive abilities and that what we see TODAY are what they wanted /expected).
Where we diverge is that you think this "Project" is everything/the most important thing and I see FOURTEEN HUNDRED YEARS of Islam's consistent and cohesive war on the world as being far more significant and representing the most important reality today. In a world where the only ideological split is really between Secular Humanism vs Nationalism against Islamism/Islamofascism, I think my take is more valid than your take. Yes, Oligarchs and Capitalist interests are also in the mix but these are just narrow interests and have no consistent effect. The bigger "clash of civilizations" reality is what actually drives the events we are seeing.