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[–] mcwilshire 0 points 39 points (+39|-0) ago  (edited ago)

The law:

"(21) The term “engaged in the business” means—
(C) as applied to a dealer in firearms, as defined in section 921(a)(11)(A), a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to dealing in firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the repetitive purchase and resale of firearms, but such term shall not include a person who makes occasional sales, exchanges, or purchases of firearms for the enhancement of a personal collection or for a hobby, or who sells all or part of his personal collection of firearms;"

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/921

You see that? "Universal background checks" do not exist as a matter of law. The law says that gun dealers have to be licensed and do background checks. It specifically says that others do not. He has no room for executive action here. The law is clear.

No matter how you feel about guns, we cannot have the President issuing executive orders that are in direct contradiction with the law established by the legislature.

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[–] crankypants15 [S] 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

The law says that gun dealers have to be licensed and do background checks. It specifically says that others do not. He has no room for executive action here. The law is clear.

Thanks for the research. The problem here is Obama is trying to change the law with an EO, which is a no no.

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[–] BentAxel 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

You do realize EVERY president has done this before? Clinton left some real turds when he left office. This is for lack of a better word, their Trump card. This is what they have been collecting millions under the table for. Go look up his list of Executive Orders and prepare to have a good laugh.

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[–] rsa 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Your link is wrong, that page doesn't have definitions. I can't find the right one.

I'm also trying to find the text (even just the number) of the EO itself.

I thought that that term, "engaged in the business" is the exact one that the EO uses, though. Why does Fox use "occasional" in their reporting? That's what I gather from the White House fact sheet, here: https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2016/01/04/fact-sheet-new-executive-actions-reduce-gun-violence-and-make-our

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[–] respondwithdata 4 points 23 points (+27|-4) ago  (edited ago)

This Government wants gun control because they realize that they have damaged America to the point a revolution is imminent. They are going to incredible lengths to get guns out of the hands of people who might stand up for the Constitution:

Edit: Tinfoil hat slipped.

Thirteen different Sandy Hook memorial websites were captured in dated screenshots proving they were created before the alleged shootings. This means either criminal complicit foreknowledge of mass murders or criminal complicity in a hoax. Either way, this evidence is damning and requires arrests with criminal investigation.

The most-recognized photo of the event, alleged FBI escorting students away from the school, was staged. We know this as absolute fact because there are two photos of the same scene with children rearranged and evidence of “photoshop” errors. In addition, the temperature at the alleged time of the photo (10:30 AM) was ~25 degrees Fahrenheit; no evidence of frost or fogged-breath is present. This means the photo is a lie: it was not of students being evacuated in an emergency at Sandy Hook Elementary School. At least two takes with photoshop evidence means that whatever happened was NOT AN EMERGENCY. This demands arrests for criminal investigation, obviously.

Four hours of police dashcam film showing the school’s parking lot outside the school shows zero students being evacuated as claimed by official reports (20 minutes to 25 minutes). The film should have showed ~600 students and adults being evacuated from the school and going past the parked police car to their alleged destination of the firehouse up the access road. The absence of students proves the official report is a lie, which again demands arrests for criminal investigation why our best evidence shows zero students were involved in this event.

The Lanza home’s alleged police photographs were staged because the same rooms were photographed in up to four different arrangements of furniture and items (pgs. 117 to 138). These differences are major and obvious, as the photos show. This evidence means that this is NOT a crime scene, but a criminal hoax. It is not possible to have different and obvious versions of what the rooms look like.

Sandy Hook Elementary School was not an active school because its Internet site had zero activity from 2008 to 2012 according to the Wayback Machine’s digital archive (pg. 34). With city demographics of average family income over $100,000/year, this lack of website data is powerful evidence that the school was not open the four years prior to the alleged massacre. In addition, this 7-minute video shows cars in all other elementary schools in the area, but NOT at Sandy Hook. The school was also non-ADA compliant and in disrepair (pg. 31), with all photo evidence that it is was used by the district for storage.

The Social Security Death Index and FBI show zero deaths of alleged victims (pgs. 161 to 167). This means that these alleged people either did not have Social Security numbers or did not exist; the FBI report confirms that they did not exist. This also demands criminal investigation.

The one and only released death certificate of an alleged victim, Noah Pozner, is a crude forgery (pgs. 181 to 183). This is yet another crime, of course.

All of the 20 alleged victims’ families moved to Newtown between 2007 and 2011, and almost all from 2009 to 2011 (pgs. 239 to 244), with 14 receiving their ~$500,000 homes for a recorded sales price of $0. (ten on Christmas Day, 2009), according to official government records. This means someone paid a likely illegally-large gift to these families, which given all other evidence demands criminal investigation. Edit: This item shown to be a town record keeping error.

A manual for Sandy Hook being a FEMA exercise was delivered to researchers (pgs. 219 to 238). This should be investigated whether it’s authentic, of course, by sworn depositions.

The fire station up the street as the alleged destination of children shows random people walking in circles through the fire house: out one door, walking around the building, then circling through again. The people are not interacting, but acting as if in a drill to mimic activity. 3-minute video: [link on main article linked below]

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/01/overwhelming-irrefutable-video-documentary-evidence-sandy-hook-another-false-flag-criminal-hoax-requiring-arrests.html

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[–] niggersreggin 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Sandy Hook happened on the same date as the NDAA passing... ONE YEAR LATER.

If you're gonna be a conspiracy nut at least get your dates right.

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[–] respondwithdata 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

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[–] QuestionEverything 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Complete Hoax. But we're asking the perps to investigate themselves?

We need independent prosecutors.

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[–] respondwithdata 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

What service does he work for? Is he a driver? More info please.

Your friend could be a liar. Or you could be. Prove me wrong.

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[–] QuestionEverything 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Prove it. I still can't find one legit EMT from the Boston Hoax. These idiots were loading people with handbags.. That's a week one rookie mistake.. Just like their failure to conduct any field triage.. 42 limbs blown off, where are they? No shrapnel on/in buildings, -I've looked. Arrendondo is an FBI stooge, the recovery time of the amputee he was walking? 25 days. Another medical anomaly.. (Not possible. Not that I saw in 15 years of trauma work..).

I have enough EOD experience to tell you: no bomb went off on Boylston street. Smoke bomb maybe, but no REAL explosives beyond a big firecracker.

That leaves one glaring fact obvious to any medical professional: Hoax.

It was fake. And how many people have told me they 'knew' someone who knew someone? They know shit obviously, but they'd argue the fact all day long without seeing a body, because 'poor victims', 'don't be so insensitive'?

lol. This is like the lambs holding a lottery because the wolves are hungry.

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[–] BentAxel 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

This is what I was referring to from the other response.

All of the 20 alleged victims’ families moved to Newtown between 2007 and 2011, and almost all from 2009 to 2011 (pgs. 239 to 244), with 14 receiving their ~$500,000 homes for a recorded sales price of $0. (ten on Christmas Day, 2009), according to official government records. This means someone paid a likely illegally-large gift to these families, which given all other evidence demands criminal investigation

If you have ever bought a home, you know this data is available to the public. More so if you have a Real Estate license. All would have to show proof of income regardless the price, if purchased by cash and more so if mortgage which is also available if you have RE license. Even a $0 Sale will have costs. Closing Costs. Nothing is free. What is even more crazy after the 2008 wall st disaster, there were additional mortgage rules put in place that required proof of income to purchase real property.

according to official government records That's public data.

Then property taxes would need to be filed. What is an address of one of the home owners. that Shit is public too. Lets see the $0 purchase. That would show up in public taxes.

So this isnt just blowing holes in the conspiracy, this is general information that is just lies and stupidity.

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[–] respondwithdata 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

You're getting better.

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[–] crankypants15 [S] 1 points 20 points (+21|-1) ago 

Just what is an executive order? A presidential executive order is a written instruction to persons in the executive branch of the federal government informing them of the manner in which the president wants federal laws or regulations enforced. Executive orders do not direct private persons, or persons in the legislative or judicial branches of government. Executive orders remain in effect until abandoned or rescinded by the president who issued them or by a successor president.

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[–] Cuilrunnings 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

So his directive for universal background checks is Unconstitutional?

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[–] Pawn 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

think of all the white babies! but lol no seriously it looks like the Hispanic population is going to about equal to the white population in about 4 years. Crazy indeed. Just incredible birth rate, and all 100% citizens. They've already surpassed blacks, which have been in the states almost forever.

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[–] Krieger_IRL 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

By defining what an “occasional seller” is, the president is essentially interpreting the law, a job reserved for the courts.

No, just no. We want clearly defined laws, so that they are not open to interpretation. What the President is doing is not the right way to do so unfortunately. But the law needs to be better defined.

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[–] SilverBanana 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

And the award for the worst understanding of US politics goes to...

(Except for ancient Rome, no, you cannot incarcerate politician for his decisions in the office, even if they are bad).

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[–] ShowMeThePunny 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

If politicians break the law, they can be imprisoned. See every ex-mayor of Chicago, and hopefully Hillary shortly.

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[–] Krieger_IRL 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

The answer is still "No". Stop asking.

If the SCOTUS finds the EO over reaching then, it will just be struck down.

If the President signs the TPP into effect, then I'll be right beside you asking to have him thrown in jail.

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[–] GizaDog 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

With Hillary, Boehner, Pelosi and all of them!

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[–] Foobarbaz 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

We know fuck all until we see the text. I know everyone feels compelled to pick a side right now but truth is -- we don't know how he plans on doing what. We know what he said but that means fuck all until it's written on paper.

And as per the political usual -- since Obama is doing it then every (using hyperbole here, calm your titties) Republican will be against it simply because it's Obama.

I'm wait patiently for the actual order. If it's unconstitutional then it'll be challenged, don't be a candy ass and get your panties in a bunch right now.

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[–] AllahFucksGoats 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

You don't say? They'll never stop taking our guns because they want to completely dominate us. Fuck Obama!

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