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[–] TerriChris [S] 2 points 119 points (+121|-2) ago 

Justice Roberts: “What unique perspective does a minority student bring a physics class?” Seriously dick face? — Lara Witt (@Femmefeministe) December 9, 2015

Common SJW response when they cannot answer - name calling.

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[–] Grospoliner 22 points 44 points (+66|-22) ago 

Both extremes are like that though. No difference between a libtard crying shitlord and a fundie crying sinner.

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[–] CatNamedJava 0 points 33 points (+33|-0) ago 

It didn't drive me away from the left. The left moved itself away from me.

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[–] sp00kygh0st 3 points 28 points (+31|-3) ago 

ITS 2015! I LITERALLY CANT EVEN!

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[–] mirimar 1 points 22 points (+23|-1) ago 

Anyone that turns this into some sort of twisted 'He's a racist!' thing is doing Justice Roberts a disservice.

He wanted to demonstrate a scenario in which diversity is meaningless in science, to counterpoint the argument of the University lawyer, namely that diversity "is a good thing". He wanted to be shown. That's all.

So grow the fuck up all you SJW entitled asshats and learn how civilized people argue different points of view.

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[–] northportage 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

SJWs are so stupid, they automatically become abusive before they've even understood what someone was saying. There is no effort whatsoever to actually understand anything. They're like monkeys that have been trained to fling poo at the sound of certain words.

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[–] Simplertimes 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Resorting to the ad hominem attack, as you have pointed out there, is a flawed argument form - and in this case is being used as a subterfuge, as you've correctly pointed out.

What's really sad is the point is entirely valid. Objective truth through standardised empirical research offers equal opportunity to all. You just have to meet the standards and choose to enter into that academic field.

The statistics bear out the facts.

People don't like facts.

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[–] Onlio 0 points 59 points (+59|-0) ago 

I am glad someone finally asked the big taboo question. Why do you need forced diversity anywhere?

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[–] heili 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

Why do you need forced diversity anywhere?

There's a reason why SJWs do not want that question to be answered truthfully.

The only valid answer is that you do not need forced diversity anywhere.

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[–] tb20 2 points 3 points (+5|-2) ago 

Honestly I think there's too much diversity. We should segregate it out a bit.... Wait a second....

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[–] bourbonexpert 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago  (edited ago)

we already have segregation. just look around you. its not whites against blacks or other minorities, its the other way around.

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[–] Samchay6 0 points 50 points (+50|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Garre offered no argument for why diversity in physics is important, instead pointing to earlier Supreme Court cases which found that student body diversity is, in general, a good thing."

If your professors grade on a curve, it could definitely work to your advantage. Even if they don't, lower quality work from minority students that shouldn't be pass as college level work is pressured to not only receive a passing grade, but a good grade, thereby lowering the bar for everyone. In the long run, however, this is part of the reason why your college degree is percieved to be worth less than in generations past...

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[–] TerriChris [S] 0 points 31 points (+31|-0) ago 

My buddy (European-American male) walked into a Calculus III class on the first day of class, turned around and walked out - 90% of the students were Asian and the teacher graded on a curve. I guess that counted for smarts too.

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[–] Jpaul199 0 points 29 points (+29|-0) ago 

European-American

You PC BRO? /s

Seriously, don't bother with PC stuff here, just say white

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[–] destinthegreat 2 points 9 points (+11|-2) ago 

why say european american when you could just say white?

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[–] GlipGlops 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Eh, I'm white and I did better than all the Asians in my math classes. Asians are better than average, but if you are too, you shouldn't assume they'll automatically be better than you. In fact, I've found most of the Asians people think are really smart, are only good at regurgitating what they've read, and not solving new problems. If a test has the exact same problem as was in a homework, they'll all do it right. Change it up a little? Most will be stumped.

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[–] aaronC 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

European American? I never heard this before. This is a complete disservice to the different cultures of France, Britain, Italy, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Scandinavia, the Slavic countries, Russia, Greece, etc.

Please stop using PC terms to describe the world. All it does is indicate to people who are more educated that you're sheltered and uneducated about how the world actually works. Tell your friend to be proud of his heritage. Americans tend to write it off because their country is new, but even a country like Ireland, which you don't expect, has an amazing history and a pretty cool culture. It's not reserved for the largest players in Europe like Germany, France, Britain, etc.

Hell, you shouldn't even just lump Asian or African together. They all have vastly unique cultures and political correctness wants to wipe out those cultures to create some sort of unified mixed culture. You've seen those liberal propaganda pieces stating the average American will be some sort of mix and that everyone will be that way, right? Or those SJWs on twitter saying things like they want to breed out white people? It's fucked.

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[–] issueninja 1 points 16 points (+17|-1) ago 

"student body diversity is, in general, a good thing"

A good thing for those students who can't actually do the work and need their 'success' handed to them as a reward for being African American.

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[–] turtlesarepureevil 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

They have the highest dropout rates of any racial group. Better off not wasting the taxpayers' money or private on whatever proportion of blacks that get in with lower test scores all because of their race.

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[–] heili 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

"student body diversity is, in general, a good thing"

What actual, measurable benefits that can be documented does 'diversity' cause?

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[–] gosso920 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

"You build bridge. Bridge fall down. No partial credit."

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[–] Zaqwert 0 points 45 points (+45|-0) ago 

He didn't say "Why do you need minorities" he basically was refuting the silly argument that having minorities improves the education experience based on their "different" perspective.

In math and science classes, your cultural perspective means jack shit.

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[–] tanukihat 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

That's actually an interesting point. He said we don't need diversity, not we don't need minorities. If a 30 latino students all got the best grades and made it into a math class, that's a class high in minorities but low in diversity. But if they got there by being the best, why force more diversity in there?

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[–] turtlesarepureevil 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

You do realise the room full of latinos is a homogenous population, don't you? You'd need to enrich that room with black students ( mind you with lower scores than the latinos). That is forced diversity.

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[–] 3485123? 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

He said we don't need diversity in the sciences. That culture had nothing to do with empirical study, but the studies the lawyer referred to show an increase in general education in more diverse schools. Increases in diversity and perspective add to other kinds of classes like the humanities and philosophy. Just not in empirically based knowledge sets.

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[–] novictim 6 points 25 points (+31|-6) ago  (edited ago)

Our ideals should be this:

We should strive for a purely merit based society. Inherited wealth and power should not be honored or perpetuated. Personal ability should be the sole criteria for reward.

But we should not strive for a Darwinian dog-eat-dog society either. Compassionate acknowledgement that few actually need to be "geniuses" and that every citizen has a right to have an achievable road to a dignified life may direct us to provide benefits to those who are not as competitive. A "rising tide lifts all boats"-type philosophy in this regard should be accepted.

But you never should let a system walk over one person in order to aid someone less qualified.

Our society is doing little to make this happen. Inheritance taxes are still too low and so called racial quotas are still in place. Neither of these two policies represent the merit based society we should be trying to build.

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[–] lissencarak 4 points 22 points (+26|-4) ago 

But I do want to pass my accumulated wealth to my children and my genes. And I will.

The problem is having government protect special interests; not low inheritance taxes. Historically, if I am wealthy, my children will be wealthy, but their children will not be - unless I had really good genes, but things usually go back to the social mean. But currently, large corporations and interests are protected from being disrupted by stifling innovation and entrepreneurship.

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[–] sp00kygh0st 2 points 9 points (+11|-2) ago 

I agree. I don't think the death tax should exist, I don't want my money going to government corruption when I die.

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[–] novictim 4 points 3 points (+7|-4) ago 

Well, do you think that debt should be inherited? If not then you are not being intellectually consistent.

Either you are for a merit based society or you are not.

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[–] carbanara 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

It only takes one bad generation to take down an empire. Someone wastefully blowing millions of dollars a year of a billion dollar fortune to destroy the legacy. That waste is Phenomenal for the economy too.

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[–] Ragnar1234 4 points 10 points (+14|-4) ago 

If I bust my ass and manage to acquire millions of dollars over my lifetime why should the government get the money that I earned? The money that I already paid income tax or capital gains tax on shouldn't be taxed again. I should be able to pass that money on to my children, set up a trust fund for my cat or donate it all to charity. I earned it and paid my share of taxes. Anyone worried about the terrors of generational wealth needs to just suck it up and change their own family tree. Save and invest so you can pass on millions to your children

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[–] novictim 8 points 0 points (+8|-8) ago  (edited ago)

How about debt? Shouldn't that then be passed on?

Oh, it only works one way? Either you support a merit society or you don't.

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[–] ILikeMyDogNotYours 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

... you realize that inherited wealth is gone by like the second generation, right? For like 90% of families.

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[–] novictim 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Ha...the top 1% of Americans now own 40% of all the wealth. The bottom 80% own just 7% of the wealth.

If you are rational and not in the top 5% then inheritance is a bad idea for your family. It means that the wealth not taxed must be paid by you and everyone else. And even if you still persist in thinking inheritance is a good idea then you must ALSO accept the equally unfair notion of inherited DEBT.

But that is not the key issue I am raising. What kind of society do you want? Merit and inheritance are incompatible systems. And

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[–] ixaxxar 2 points 3 points (+5|-2) ago 

Inheritance and death taxes should not exist period. My money is taxes federally and by the state already. My money is then further taxed with every single purchase I will ever make. If I own land or a home I pay taxes on that as well. I also pay taxes on my car that I own. This government needs to keep its hands off my wallet. If I have been smart and lived my life inside the means I have provided it is my choice to leave it to who I see for without this government stealing even more of my money even once I'm dead and gone.

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[–] novictim 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

"My money..." is no longer YOUR money when you are dead. Unless you worship Isis...errr...the goddess Isis.

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[–] ArcherMcTaco 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago 

social justice faggots ruined affirmative action. It was supposed to help minorities who were at the SAME LEVEL GPA wise as a student from a more priveleged background. This covered race at first but was also supposed to take into account socio economic standing (IE, you from the trailer and are a math wiz, you might have a real shot at MIT and breaking away.) Then it got fucked up into this retarded white hatred social math of power + priveledge x sexuality - nationality bullshit. People think this is gonna lead to some white power shit in uni if it gets accepted. Nope, prepare to see a shit ton more Asians and Indans on campus. Either way, the system we have now is a perversion of a simple system that took students on an equal footing academicly and gave the one from the worse background a shot. Also who doesn't have a fucked up background now a days. American family systems are pretty much in ruin. This conversation is depressing.

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[–] christy 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Asians get the shit end of the deal too. White is the base line, and the rest is above or below.

African Americans received a “bonus” of 230 points, Lee says. She points to the second column. “Hispanics received a bonus of 185 points.” The last column draws gasps. Asian Americans, Lee says, are penalized by 50 points — in other words, they had to do that much better to win admission.

http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-adv-asian-race-tutoring-20150222-story.html

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[–] tonberry2 5 points -3 points (+2|-5) ago  (edited ago)

It is a very complicated issue. I am white, and I got extremely high grades in my undergrad (4.0 GPA in biochemistry, and ~80% percentile in all areas on the GRE), but I did it at a university that is poor and caters to ethnic groups. Very few colleges would touch me when I applied for a masters and a PhD whereas if my ethnicity was different I think these same colleges would have given me a shot. So I get it from that perspective. But at the same time, I have seen the other side of the coin when you don't have enough diversity at the university level: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/27/education/27sandiego.html?_r=0

So there are no easy solutions. Some have even brought up the point that letting minorities into school and having them score poorly further promotes the ethnic superiority complex you see floating about. But you know, I don't want to go back to living in a world where some races, economic groups, and genders believe they are "born" better than others. And like it or not, this law was trying to take us out of that world. Throw it out, and where would we go from there? I think we already know the answer to that.

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[–] jackofdiamonds 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

I went to a top 10 ranked school and I can tell you first hand that I saw dozens of my black classmates eager to get chemistry and engineering degrees when they were freshmen. By spring of our sophomore year 80% of them had transferred into humanities, mostly the Department of African Studies, which became a de facto parallel degree path designed to shuck remedial minority students through four years and hand them a degree to avoid the embarrassment and scandal of having to flunk out 1/2 of the black student body. The sad thing is, these black students were the ones most hurt by getting accepted above their heads. Even the black students that get into top 10 schools were at least fairly competent, B average students in high school, the type of student who would have done fine and graduated well within the pack in a STEM department at a decent, average school. Had they done this, today they would be making $40-60k/year as run-of-the-mill lab technicians and the like. Instead, they all have worthless "African Studies" degrees and work at coffee shops. Thanks for the help, affirmative action!

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[–] USS-JonDonRonald 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Guy asks why FORCED diversity with a lot of disregard to past requirements is necessary in FOR EXAMPLE, physics class... brings up good point.... Is racist fuck because white male...... Merica.

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