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[–] greycloud 6 points 75 points (+81|-6) ago 

part of the dream is having a pretty wife that you want to come home too. feminism has destroyed that dream. in 1986 i was in 3rd grade getting payed for a job i had helping delivering newspapers. how is that coming along now? see many 8 and 9 year old employed children? that wasn't so rare back then. so where are those great jobs? seems to me a lot of the blue collar market is gone, or if it exists it pays peanuts. oh but the same number of jobs are available you see, working at a steel mill for 18 dollars an hour is comparable to minimum wage at mcdonalds. nevermind that restaurant work used to be primarily a job for high school and college students.

it used to be if you were willing to work hard you could succeed. now if you work hard you can survive. it used to be that if you smart with your choices you could land a loyal pretty wife and a nice house. now if you are smart you won't get stuck with a divorce and her taking the house you worked for. the old dream is just that, a dream. it is not achievable to most people, and those that do manage to make it are more from luck than hard work (not that hard work isn't involved, but that just buys you the lottery ticket now).

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[–] Darth_Shitlord 2 points 26 points (+28|-2) ago 

My dad has a saying; "The harder you work the luckier you become"

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[–] greycloud 2 points 11 points (+13|-2) ago 

that is true to a degree. it is true to the same degree as this. the more lottery tickets you buy, the more chances you have to win. but consider this, you are more likely to be killed by lightning than to win that lottery unless you buy a whole lot of tickets, and most people can't afford that many tickets anymore.

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[–] bob3333 2 points 8 points (+10|-2) ago 

The problem is that in a competition half of the people have to finish below average no matter how hard they work. That's just mathematical fact.

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[–] Ulluses 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

My dad called it something different, growing up he said "Everyday you wake up and think "Fuck it." is a day you threw £3000 down the drain.".

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[–] Vagilante 5 points 3 points (+8|-5) ago 

actually take care of themselves, exercise, eat healthy, sleep, drink/drugs in moderation, get educated, work hard, get a job that pays 100k by 30 yrs old etc. are pursued by EVERYONE greatly inflating their sense of self worth

Replace that with "man". No neither persons sense of self work is inflated beyond what it should be. A man or woman of this caliber should be seeking out an equal in life. I know if I made 100K by 30 I wouldn't be paying to support a fucking pizza driver no matter how beautiful he was. I can pay for a fucking stripper or hooker, male or female. When I want a partner it's because I want someone that can fucking match my level. The "shallow pool" you mention only exists because ugly people, fat people, poor people, whatever all think they can do better without being better themselves. Men and women. I'm nowhere near perfect by I sure as shit don't waste time on men that aren't at least living at the same standard I do. I don't have kids. I want them. Most men I've dated see my success in life as a way to have a new mommy to care for them, cook and clean and also bring in the kings share of the money. Fuck. That. Partners or GTFO.

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[–] Wolfs_claw 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

My newspaper is delivered by a 45 year old Mexican dude. The "economic migrants" have swamped a lot of the entry level jobs young Americans used to take to get their resume started.

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[–] maliblue 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

having a pretty wife that you want to come home to

So then what would you have considered to be the American Dream for women? Or are they excluded from it? I really don't think that it's such a bad thing that women are no longer expected to just be housewives. It's nice having other career options too you know? That being said I have never seen a woman berated for choosing to be a housewife either, if financially feasible (the exception being on tumblr of course).

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[–] greycloud 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

i think for women the american dream was to have beautiful children that loved her, a husband that valued her and provided for her, and both the time and resources to pursue her hobbies and interests on her own terms. why work on someone else's time when you can choose your own hours? women had it better than men before they were brought down a notch by equality. they still do but to a much lesser degree. if a woman is capable and talented as a male than she will succeed more than that male will. also even though women make on average less money than men, they spend on average more money than men. i think people forget to mention that last part, women have the privilege of spending men's money.

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[–] Capt_Rye 2 points 40 points (+42|-2) ago 

the babyboomer generation wont retire. our degrees no longer guarantee a great starting position and pay. companies have started laying off those who did make good money in the IT or other tech in favor of hiring H1B visa workers at half the cost. We are constantly reminded by our parents and grandparents how at the age of 26 they owned a house and had a family. We are the most connected generation in the world with the most information at our fingertips but the old fucks wont retire so we can finally move forward with new ideas and reach that dream state of happiness

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[–] crankypants15 1 points 29 points (+30|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Many baby boomers (my parents generation) can't retire because they lost most or all of their pensions from the Great Recession, due to corrupt financiers. They were counting 100% on the pension covering them for retirement, but no one figured out pensions are not guaranteed until it was too late.

So now they work at Walmart as greeters.

EDIT: A good point was made that some people had a huge investment in real estate, which took a drop in almost all areas, and a big nosedive in some areas. Some people lost 50% of the value of their real estate. Even foreclosed houses owned by banks would not sell for 12-24 months. I looked into this and that was mainly because they wanted to sell the house for the balance of the mortgage, which was much higher than the current market value at the time.

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[–] brokenfingers 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Is it their pensions or some sort of 401k plan? Pensions used to be enough to retire on until companies started leaning people towards 401k's. PBS Frontline had a great episode about the whole mess.

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[–] Capt_Rye 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

my parents lost their pensions long before the recession. unlike many of their peers they both had something set aside, sadly they lost a good 50% of that in the recession.

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[–] klauskinski 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

what does the walmart greeter position pay?

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[–] smokeu 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Hasn't the stock market recovered past pre-recession prices?

The game is heavily rigged in the baby boomers favor.

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[–] PraiseIPU 1 points 8 points (+9|-1) ago  (edited ago)

My mother and uncle have both had rude awakenings lately.

My mother was recently laid (layed?) off and is collecting unemployment for the first time at 60 years old. it took a month to get her first check and if she misses a week she has to start the whole process over again. You go a month w/o a paycheck and you start getting desperate and will take any job just to be able to pay even some of the bills.

My uncle retired from a union job making $60,000+ per year and works at a golf course for something to do and free club membership. Seeing his $10/hr paychecks and realizing that a lot of Americans actually try to live on that wage really shocked him.

Boomers can't retire because many of them know they will never find any job making even 1/3 of what they make now. And many won't stoop to making $10/hr even as a hobby job.

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[–] PardiGras 4 points 6 points (+10|-4) ago 

Seeing his $10/hr paychecks and realizing that a lot of Americans actually try to live on that wage really shocked him.

Now if only more of America could come realize this. Seems that most people prefer to just yell at the poor for making the wrong decisions, even though they had nothing to do with the shitty state of this country

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[–] hypercat 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Most place WONT hire someone who is older. They discriminate harshly. Even if you are super experienced they don't want you.

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[–] avgwhtguy1 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

its as if they didnt plan for retirement...

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[–] TexasComments 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Boomers can't retire because many of them know they will never find any job making even 1/3 of what they make now.

Retiring means not working anymore ...

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[–] HoneyNutStallmans 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

in favor of hiring H1B visa workers at half the cost.

As an almost-replaced employee, I noped the fuck out of there and left America.

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[–] bob3333 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

the babyboomer generation wont retire.

Because many of them can't. You can thank the decline of pension funds for that. Reagan wanted to funnel all that money through Wall Street middlemen so they could skim off the top, and so the 401(k) was born. There's a reason defined benefit plans outperform 401(k)s at every measure.

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[–] Totenglocke 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

No, you can thank their horrible spending habits for that. Instead of saving for retirement, they kept racking up more and more debt with expensive cars and homes that they couldn't afford and now that they're at retirement age, they realize that they'd have to massively downsize in order to pay the bills - and their greed won't let them do that.

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[–] Bill_Murrays_Sandals 1 points 37 points (+38|-1) ago 

"The reason they call it the American Dream is because you have to be asleep to believe it."

  • George Carlin

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[–] Rellik88 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Says the guy who got rich telling jokes.

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[–] thenerd 5 points -1 points (+4|-5) ago 

I love it when people take political doctrine from A FUCKING COMEDIAN!

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[–] NuclearTrashMan 1 points 12 points (+13|-1) ago 

Just because somebody is funny doesn't make them wrong.

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[–] ToFat2Fish 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

A lot of comedians are incredibly smart and have an ability to look at situations in a way that most people can't see

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[–] avgwhtguy1 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Comedians have long been the source of history's most realistic depiction of politics. They skirt the "freedom of speech" issue by making the audience laugh instead of riot -- and his wages are generally related to his appeal to the working class, not the ruling class.

Dont tell me you'd rather take political doctrine from a "news station"s talking head.

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[–] Porphyrogennetos 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Yeah, but was he wrong?

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[–] RedditIsPropaganda23 2 points 30 points (+32|-2) ago  (edited ago)

There is no American dream in this day and age. The oligarchs are greedy beyond measure and want cattle wage-slaves.

  • Central banking scam (The Fed) where our fiat currency is being more and more devalued every year.
    -100% of our IRS payments go directly to the Fed, a private bank.
    -Wars are waged to install central banking systems in other countries
  • Disastrous foreign policy where we send a country with $36K GDP per capita -Israel-, $4 Billion a year while we can't even take care of our own veterans or children living in poverty.
    -Disastrous Military industrial complex that makes never-ending WAR FOR PROFIT with a $580 Billion a year budget, with billions stolen or wasted.

  • Over half of American workers earn less than $30K / year.
  • Healthcare costs for an average family of 4 is over $22K / year.
  • Healthcare costs for cancer or other serious conditions is ASTRONOMICAL and UN-AFFORDABLE.
    1 Million Americans go bankrupt due to healthcare costs each year.
  • Interest rates for people saving money is around 0%, but most barely have any savings.
  • Civil liberties are being taken everyday: Free speech, Rights to privacy, Rights to assemble. Even rights to bear arms is now under attack. Countless false flag attacks.
  • Mainstream media only serves as government propaganda.
  • New legislation like the TPP is going to take away more jobs, lower our wages, and make prescription drugs even more expensive.
  • etc etc

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[–] TibbyTurtle 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

And yet the American people will do nothing about it, and in fact openly vote for these things and defend them and accuse of communism anyone that believes in supporting jobs, infrastructure and a future of our children rather than just giving bailouts and tax cuts to billionaires.

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[–] ILikeMyDogNotYours 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

The oligarchs are greedy beyond measure and want cattle wage-slaves.

You mean the government? Pretty sure the only entity not willingly getting a significant portion of my pay check is the government. Jesus, if i could get that money back, I'd be far better off.

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[–] whisky_cat 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

-100% of our IRS payments go directly to the Fed, a private bank.

This confused me - who pays for war if all IRS money goes into a private bank? If only the private bank truly pays for war, then who's paying for foodstamps? You get the idea.

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[–] RedditIsPropaganda23 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Let's say that for 2002, Congress and the President decide they want $1.7 trillion dollars to fund this bloated pig called our government. We know that 100% of all personal "income" taxes extorted by the IRS goes to the "Federal" Reserve Banking System and does not fund a single function of the government. So, let's take the people's blood and sweat off the table.

What other revenues does the government collect? Corporate taxes, social security taxes, constitutional revenues such as excise taxes on cigarettes, alcohol, tobacco, firearms, tires, etc., tariffs on trade, military hardware sales, and some minor categories. Let's say that those revenues will total $900 billion dollars. The politicians want $1.7 trillion to spend on their favorite welfare programs, wars and foreign welfare, but have a short fall of $800 billion dollars. This is called the deficit and the deficit, created by the spending of Congress, creates the "national debt."

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[–] camelCaser 0 points 23 points (+23|-0) ago 

The New American Dream:

  1. Get a STEM degree from an overpriced college
  2. Leave with massive debt
  3. After a couple years scrounging for a job feel lucky to get one at $40,000 a year
  4. Get massively taxed for being a hard working middle class man
  5. Actually earn $23,000 a year after taxes
  6. Lose your job right before promotion to a H1B visa slave worker
  7. Get depressed and start drinking
  8. Fall into a daze at the bar thinking about how you're going to kill yourself
  9. Snap out of it from a black woman yelling at you
  10. Go to jail for infringing on her right to not get stared at

Don't even get me started on marrying an American woman.

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[–] avgwhtguy1 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

you get 23k after income tax. After 10% sales tax on anything you try to use the money for its 21.7k. After vehicle registration, drivers license, mandated healthcare at 150/month, mandated car insurance, its more like $18,000. IF you own a home, or are buying one from a bank for the next 30 years you can add property tax, which could range from hundreds of dollars to more than the 18k you made. IF you dont own real estate, hotel rooms are taxed at like 15%+ in most cities, and you will never be able to afford a house you dont build or isnt condemned--- after you build or restore it, your property taxes will slowly start to approach your 18k/year.

Oh, and did you get arrested, regardless of the fact you didnt commit a crime? There goes your job, thousands in fines or lawyer fees, you may lose you license -- but have to show up to random appointments around the city during what should be your scheduled working hours.

Still thinking about marrying an American woman who has a legal right to half of your post-income-tax 23k you dont even have anymore?

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[–] ToFat2Fish 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

God the reality within that statement is sickening

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[–] HoneyNutStallmans 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

.7. Leave America

.8. still taxed

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[–] TC10284 0 points 23 points (+23|-0) ago 

Losing?

Lost.

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[–] wild-tangent 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

We had ten men- varying race, age, and whatever, and one black woman who is about as bright as a black hole. She speaks well, but shows up to work in yoga pants and a t-shirt. She's getting promoted. Everyone's pissed about it, because it's plain as day what's going on. Now every single "grunt" is a guy, and every single administrator with higher pay is a woman.

My boss launched a municipal mechanic shop with no training in it- she had been a mechanic for two months. Prior to that she drove a truck around and made deliveries for a few months. There's a huge glass escalator nobody talks about for her. She's in way over her head- and her coworker is also in over her head. Can't fire them, can't replace them, and I know as a SWM I'm never going to get promoted out of this entry-level blue-collar position despite my degree. Sure, the money's good, but it's such a waste. Someone without even a high school diploma could do my job (it isn't something that could be automated, though). I believe in what I'm doing, I think it's for a good cause, but I'd LOVE to be in the more administrative end of things, with the nice pay and benefits and all that. Nope! They're very nice to me about it, but I'm starting to wonder if I should "come out" as "pre-op trans," so I can tick "Woman" in the box and just string them along for as long as I can, at least until I get promoted a few steps, and then say "I changed my mind," when I decide I've cleared the ozone layer of bullshit.

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[–] EarlPoncho 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

so does a woman owned business

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[–] Porphyrogennetos 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Immigrants to Canada get two years tax free when they start a business.

Natural born citizens are expected to compete with this.

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[–] REALJOHNCENA69 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Fuck it bro go for it

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[–] avgwhtguy1 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

FYI, i can almost certainly automate your job. As long as your job isnt my job -- to automate jobs, then it can be automated, optimized, dumbed-down, etc. Even my "job" to some extent, but someone has to do it.

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[–] wild-tangent 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Mechanic and repairman for the stations, so unless the stations and objects can fix themselves...

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[–] Kaizervonmaanen 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

but I'm starting to wonder if I should "come out" as "pre-op trans," so I can tick "Woman" in the box and just string them along for as long as I can, at least until I get promoted a few steps

It's not even a lie, if you feel "woman" enough to tick that box then everything is fine. You don't even have to feel more woman than a man apparently it's on a spectrum so you don't even have to act feminine. There is a word for masculine trans-women who feel comfortable in their male bodies. Demi-male something or other... Get the term right, and just go with it, there is a trans-version for just professional use as well. Don't have to pretend to be feminine or anything like that either or claim you are doing some operation or anything.

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[–] wild-tangent 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Nah if I'm doing this then I'm going to have some fucking fun with it. Time to deck my bike out in hot pink.

Then again it might come full circle into "it was just a prank, bro!"

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[–] Lootaluck 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

Alot of talk in this thread about boomers not retiring, which is interesting because in my experience its just the opposite.

Well paid boomers are forced out in their mid to late 50's replaced by much younger workers at a starting wage relative to inflation much lower than what boomers started at.

Rather than "never retiring" my parents and many of their peers were actually forced out long before they wished to retire, and facing HR departments staffed with late 20's early 30's workers, that practice age discrimination almost unconciously, there's virtually no chance they'll work again

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