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[–] Lake ago 

But if you make these programs as least appealing as possible maybe some of these people will actually work on improving themselves

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[–] perfectpencil ago  (edited ago)

People always take the path of least resistance (all life forms do, so lets not pretend the poor are an alien species).

If we make welfare really hard to maintain.. what is easier? finding a career or quickly committing a crime? Seeing as folks on welfare probably have been looking for work since forever (even if only passively) I'm willing to bet they won't default to it if you take away their food and did nothing to bring careers to their area. (Even if it's a truck load of snicker's bars). They will try to find the next easiest way to obtain their basic human needs (food, shelter, love etc).

You COULD make welfare harder only IF you made getting a real job easy. Discourage & Encourage together. Personally I'm not one to subscribe to the (rather politically polar) view that the poor are just lazy and need to have a fire lit under their asses to get a job. Its much more complex than that. If that's all it was then we wouldn't have ever needed welfare to begin with. The fear of being destitute and homeless would have been enough to maintain a 100% employment rate.

Personally I believe people can't be herded like sheep or lead like a pack of dogs (by an alpha)....but rather must be lured like cats. Bring good work opportunities to their area that offer a benefit that is greater than being lazy and collecting welfare. Most people would jump on the chance. problem is though, the "low entry" jobs like manufacturing are being given to poor Chinese, not poor Americans.

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[–] Lake ago 

I picked up one of those "low entry jobs like manufacturing" and I get paid enough to support myself and pay rent on a 2 bedroom home, food, utilities, internet, cable, and phone. I have zero experience/money minus knowing how to drive a forklift (which I gained in retail). How was I able to take care of myself without government assistants?

I grew up with people that were in the same (or better) situation as me but they are almost all welfare leaches or in jail. What did I do different? I went to work. I busted my ass. I showed up every day I was scheduled. I did what I was asked to do.

Slightly off topic: We are having a problem getting someone into a position that is exactly the same as mine. This has to be the easiest jobs I have ever had. It's not hard. We have been through 7 people in the past 4-5 months. Every single one of them has been terrible. I wouldn't have hired them. The thing is my company hasn't let a single one go. They all were no call no shows. Why is that? They didn't WANT to work.

I have been a part of this class of people for a long time and I just can't hear anymore excuses when I have been handling it just fine and doing nothing but improving myself.