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[–] ginganinja ago 

Hey, look, I can quote passages from religious texts that are obviously outdated too!

  1. "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination." Leviticus 18:22. "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them." Leviticus 20:13.

  2. "Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material." Leviticus 19:19

  3. "All that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you." Leviticus 9:10

I was willing to see things from a different perspective, but if your last line says anything, it's that you are unwilling to be civil, and thus not worth the time or discussion.

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[–] novictim ago  (edited ago)

" passages from religious texts that are obviously outdated "

Now, quote to me the Imam who says that the Koran is outdated. The Koran is the infallible and perfect word of Allah as spoken from the Angel Gabriel to Mohammad. And Mohammad was the most perfect man and sets a timeless example. Compare Mohammad to Jesus...this is the problem in what we have seen for 1400 years.

Regarding the constant idiocy of trying to say "Islam is JUST LIKE CHRISTIANITY!", there is no other way to break this to you. You got cheated on your education.

What we today call Christianity is not what Christianity was 500 years ago. It is radically changed. And the changes are not found in any single text. The Bible is still claimed as being a central document but the reality is that theology was reformed in order to stop mass blood shed. Again, you will not find any single document to point to.

Baruch Spinoza, Martin Luther, John Locke...or you can go back to the Greek Philosophical revivalism of the Renaissance...there are many thinkers that chipped away at the inherent violence of this particular monotheistic religion.

But while there are no single documents to point to for why Islam is still much like Christianity of the 13th century, there are events that a basic curriculum should have included: The REFORMATION and the ENLIGHTENMENT. The Enlightenment is still ongoing and is the grave stone for the Reformation.

The Enlightenment put each and every person at the center of their religion. Each person was loaded up with personal responsibility which was a radical shift from medieval Christian hierarchical religion. Writers like Locke argued that each person was in their own struggle with morality and ethics and their judgement must be individual, not collective. From that notion the idea of Protestants killing Catholics and Catholics Killing Protestants, and Lutherans killing Anabaptists etc etc etc. ...no killing of a individual over their individual judgement could be justified. Only the creator could judge.

THIRTY MILLION people were murdered because of a argument over a fictitious sky being in Europe before this theological compromise was accepted by the warring factions. But the 200 to 300 years of theology driven blood shed ended. The notion of the personal CONSCIENCE being the sole arbiter for ultimate religious redemption, and that it is a personal matter, won the day.

None of this happened, could happen, in Islam where 1400 years of Sunni and Shiite violence and the killing of kafirs has no off-ramp. The Prince of Peace was something that the Christians could finally look to to stop killing one another but for the Muslim they only have Mohammad and his henchmen, murderous butchers of intolerance.

You are welcome.