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[–] goatboy 0 points 26 points (+26|-0) ago  (edited ago)

The authors lost credibility when they used Dworkin as a source. That's like using Heinrich Himmler as a sources on how to reform Germany. "Ve muzt eliminate zees undezirables uzing any meanz nezzazary."

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[–] Tyom 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I concur, but it's not as though they're one sided -- they had comments from Goatsac, too. I'd rather hear both parties talk than just one.

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[–] goatboy 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago  (edited ago)

That is a false dilemma. There aren't just two sides to this. There are as many sides as there are redditors.

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[–] nearly-evil 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I was a little suspicious of the fairness of the article but when I read that I laughed and backed out. It seems every guardian article I read lately seems like it was written by some reddit insider.

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[–] BrutalJones 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Reddit is slowly DIGGing itself. Censorship is worse than ever, and the Admins and site leadership don't seem to care. Reddit is moving further away from a platform supporting free speech and free participation and moving further towards a heavily moderated message forum. We're headed to the eventuality of any new subreddit requiring approval by admins before it's created.

Aggregate voting was always what was most special about places like DIGG and Reddit, and what set them apart from your average VBulletin message boards of the late '90s and early 2000s. But Reddit survived for as long as it did by not only sticking to their aggregate algorithm (changing it is what killed DIGG), but putting a strong emphasis on free participation and low moderation. Anybody can create an aggregate forum. But what made Reddit special is being challenged by the site's current leadership. I wouldn't be surprised if, two years from now, the site has gone far downhill under Ellen Yao's leadership. It's already begun to happen.

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[–] br2 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

As much as I would love to dance on reddit's corpse (hell hath no fury like a nerd scorned), I think reddit will still be around for a while yet. Most of the users I know access reddit for cat pictures, not for anything meaningful. Yao will continue to roll out her feminist pinkwashing agenda and 90% of the users will never know the difference.

I think an exodus has begun, though. The few users I know who have expressed frustration with the site want to leave but haven't found anything that can replace it. I'm feeling good about Voat, but I also felt good about Hubski until it became clear that the userbase was, if anything, MORE femisocialist than reddit's userbase. (In fairness to Hubski's community, I never got shouted down for expressing dissenting views but it was pretty obvious that the conversation had a forgone conclusion.)

My prediction is that reddit's former active userbase (i.e. pre-DIGG migration) will splinter into various reddit alternatives like Voat and Hubski, and reddit itself will continue to garner passive users who want GIFs of funny cats drinking Mountain Dew(R).

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[–] BrutalJones 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

I think reddit will still be around for a while yet

I'm sure it will. After all, there are still vbulletin forums, and DIGG is still active. I meant that the quality of the site's content will take a nosedive rather than the site will cease to exist.

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[–] SaulKD 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Most of the users I know access reddit for cat pictures, not for anything meaningful. Yao will continue to roll out her feminist pinkwashing agenda and 90% of the users will never know the difference.

I disagree that people won't notice. Their own examples there show that people who moderate some of the more socially acceptable subreddits are also moderating porn and gore subreddits. People will notice the bans because a LOT of subscribers are have a kink or fetish or some other socially unacceptable diversion which they indulge in through Reddit. When the site starts banning those people are going to want alternatives that allow them to have access to the mainstream topics and their less acceptable hobbies all through the same platform.

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[–] WorLord 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

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[–] chakan2 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

It doesn't help when they're getting talking points from SRS mods, arguably the most hate filled subreddit out there. Then you have Ellen who's the ultimate fem slime ball pushing her agenda of "I fuck who I want and that should mean promotions."

It's getting ugly over there.

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[–] roadhouse 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Multiple SRS admins. The description of SRS presented in the article was laughable too.

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[–] Haprican 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I just joined voat today. One of the biggest reasons I joined is because all the drama between reddits, which involves a lot of closed minded thinking. I've bounced around from the redpill, to kia, to srs, and one thing I can't stand is how censorship minded EVERY subreddit is. The real problem isn't feminism or srs or the redpill- I realized long ago as an atheist the problem I have with the censorship on reddit is the problem I have with all these sjw or anti sjw movements. It's the same problem I have with strick religions to misquote the movie Dogma "Beliefs are dangerious. They don't change. But having and idea- that van be subject to change." Ideaologies like social justice or redial feminism, or even the redpill bother the shit outta me because they look at the world through there own specific frame work without much flexability. It's like a fundimental religion that cannot allow free though as there is a fear of it "poisoning" the message - ideology is what's turning me away from reddit. Reading dworkins and srs quotes piss me off. Yet dispite that, I still want her to be able to express that- a sentiment she expresses displeasure in letting others have because of her idealology. Maybe thus is just my American upbrining, but I believe that speach- even speach you disagree with- should be allowed. After all, if one day the people in power decided what I'm saying is worth censorship, no matter how popular it is now- you'll get censorship like your seeing on reddit. That's the major reason I joined voat. I'm terrified of posting on there because of how ban happy, doxxing friendly reddit is. The administration are going for censorship control and giving certain user free regine, and it scares the shit outta me. This is the first time I've felt safe posting in almost a year- the environment is terrifing to many lurkers. I'm just waiting for subreddit approval to take shape and watch voat explode.

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[–] wulf-focker 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

True but who's to say the same wont happen to voat?

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[–] voatergoater 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago 

Begging for some mercy here. Unsubscribed to meanwhileonreddit to clear the front page of the excessive posts concerned about what's going on over there. Please let's build new here, and move on. Reddit is not that fascinating compared with all the other quality posts that could be contributed to this site. Certainly, it's news-worthiness is very limited, imo. Bless the coders for this new spot to share. Thanks for reading.

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[–] br2 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Agreed. Once I hit that 100-comment-score mark, I plan on giving reddit news in non-reddit subs a subtle nudge downward.

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[–] voatergoater 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I'll help you with that goal. I've reserved my downvotes. Hard to earn ----> careful to use, in my mind anyway. Trying to engage with conversation about quality content rather than downvote because I don't agree that it's so news-worthy it needs to appear in every possible subverse. Maybe it is news-worthy but folks are so caught up in the reddit-universe-gossip. Tiresome, imo.

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[–] TKCHBL 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I totally agree.

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[–] squiremarcus 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

ok make a more interesting subreddit and post some content.

but for now we are in reddits shadow. it is 300 times larger than voat if the reported numbers are right

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[–] dabork 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

He's not complaining about the content, he's complaining about the location.

We have a sub specifically for news about Reddit called /v/Meanwhileonreddit . It makes no sense to post news about Reddit outside of that area and doing so leads to a saturation of mediocre content across multiple verses. People who want to hear news about Reddit will subscribe to that verse and people who don't will not. But that system falls apart if we start posting Reddit news in other verses. It's one of the main problems with Reddit. People aren't concerned with posting in the most relevant sub, they post where the people are, and that's not how it's supposed to work.

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[–] BatmansTesticles 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

Thank you for this article OP. Interesting, but tough to read. All this about "the dark side of reddit". Phtt. Please. Does reddit have a dark side? Well, let's see, it's an open platform for people to use as they see fit. Do some people have a dark side? Yes. So does reddit have a dark side ... ? Well, that's an inevitable result of giving people the ability to do whatever they want. The alternative is censorship.

Yes, we'd all like to live in a world of sunshine and roses and have there be no such thing as disease or pain or /r/creepshots. But we don't live in that world. So can we please stop blaming the medium when the message is so clear - human beings are fucked, and as long as we are fucked, we will do fucked up shit.

When will society grow up and stop blaming the paper for the note that is written on it?

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[–] voatergoater 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Upvote for quality comment/observations.

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[–] MagnaFarce 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Have you heard about the dark side of photographs? People are taking fucking pictures of their nude bodies, and some sick fucks are killing people and taking pictures of their dead bodies.

I think it's about time we completely banned photos. We cannot allow a medium that can be abused to such a dangerous degree.

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[–] mr_skeltal 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Real objective journalism ( /s ), giving a voice to 3 SRSers (who are mostly radical feminists, white knights and SJW's) and one shock sub mod. Arbitrarily deciding what is good and bad. Nothing at all about the manipulation and censorship that is rampant in subs such as news, worldnews and politics, nor the power mods who can ban you across 100+ subs that they moderate if they see you post something they disagree with. This article is a fucking hatchet job made to make all Redditors look like sick paedophiles or necrophiliacs.

This is only going to justify censorship in the minds of people who are oblivious to the real situation. They are trying to spin it so that if there is a huge shitstorm in the near future on the level of gamergate about this censorship it will be "those perverts are just sad they can't look at dead girls anymore."

But in the end it doesn't really matter because this is my main hangout now. Reddit can go fuck itself with its SJW CEO, SJW mods and largely stupid userbase.

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[–] PM_ME_UNDRESSED 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Yea, I kept waiting for a section on censorship but it never came. This article is yet another echo in the chamber and will only lead to more censorship.

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[–] donson 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Solution: don't read Guardian ever again, advise other people not to read Guardian ever again. Note the name of the journalist and read nothing by that person ever again, advise other people not to read anything written by that journalist ever again.

Don't read any publication that allows that journalist to write for it ever again, and others to do the same.

Problem solved without anyone's speech, voice, opinions or ideas being repressed or aggressed upon through physical force, removal, or censorship.

Just simple autonomous decision making and exercise of free choice.

That's all we need in a free society to determine the correct ideas and views. Those who choose repression and aggression upon the rights of others choose their own fate.

But those who continue to read these pieces and remain silent in passive support of them also sacrifice their freedom as individuals to stop such things from happening.

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[–] juggernaut 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

banning SRS would probably clean up the site immensely

SRS isn't exactly the problem, though. Its the SJW moderation and the small but vocal number of crappy users. Those users would just coordinate their activities elsewhere if SRS was shutdown. Hell, think about if 100 of them showed up here for a week.

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[–] mr_skeltal 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I agree, SRS is a good containment sub for them. Let them have their hugbox. It'd be excellent if you could lock them in there and only there but luckily most of them only peek their noses out to troll and get downvoted heavily for their troubles.

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[–] BrutalJones 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I have a bone to pick with this article.

>also moderates the soft-porn subreddits gentlemanboners

/r/gentlemanboners is softcore porn? Are you kidding me? What a hilariously wrong statement. This author needs to look up softcore pornography on wikipedia, and then browse /r/gentlemanboners for a bit. Photos of elegant women dressed up is not "softcore pornography", and it's ridiculous to suggest that it is. Otherwise every wedding you've ever been to could be appropriately described as a "softcore pornographic event". Utterly absurd.

Secondly, /r/gentlemanboners is described as part of "bad reddit", yet there's no mention of /r/ladyboners, which was created before /r/gentlemanboners. Hell, the latter's name is a play off of /r/ladyboners, and /r/ladyboners is frequently far more racy than /r/gentlemanboners, with men frequently featured half-naked; you'd never see a topless woman on /r/gentlemanboners.

This article touches on some important issues with Reddit, but it's clearly tainted by sexism in its exploration of them.

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[–] ronintetsuro 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

They put up a screenshot of r/earthporn's frontpage to indicate that porn is pervasive on reddit. That's when I closed the article, myself. That author doesn't have a clue what they're talking about, too focused on the agenda they are working to inject into the conversation.

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[–] wulf-focker 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

These are modern day puritans we're dealing with. And hypocrites.

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[–] DXGypsy 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

“I think Reddit has a dual personality,” says a Redditor who goes by Dworkin. She’s a moderator of the ShitRedditSays subreddit, known as SRS, which began as a collection of all the worst quotes of Reddit and has evolved into a sort of enclave within the site for people who have deep concerns about the main community.

Those sure aren't the words I'd be using to describe SRS.

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[–] wulf-focker 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Yeah, their actual deep concern is how to eradicate all males from the planet. At least some have expressed such bs there. SRS is actually one of the most toxic subreddits there.

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