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[–] pray_the_gay_away 2 points 91 points (+93|-2) ago 

just as premium growth rates are accelerating... Between healthcare and middle class tax rates, It's like, if you're not already poor, the government is doing everything it can to change that.

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[–] dv1155 16 points 35 points (+51|-16) ago 

Poor people tend to vote democrat. Therefore it's very profitable for the left to destroy the middle class. The more people they force from self-reliance into the government welfare lines, the more power they can steal.

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[–] frankenham 1 point 24 points (+25|-1) ago 

I'm poor and vote turd sandwich every election!

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[–] didntsayeeeee 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

They'll turn us all into beggars, cause they're easier to please.

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[–] B3bomber 5 points 19 points (+24|-5) ago 

If anyone actually checked Obama's voting record before believing his shitty ass speeches as truth, they'd know "Hope and Change" meant he hoped to get ALL your spare change. The fact he was Senator of Illinois didn't seem to register one bit. Something or other Chicago.

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[–] Questionssm 11 points -1 points (+10|-11) ago 

We were doing so well under bush too.

Thanks Obama.

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[–] WickedVocalist ago 

So, we see here you owe 30k in medical bills for your child.. So you say little Suzie has Medicaid? Well we aren't showing that you ever signed her up, so we're gonna have to take her away for medical neglect.

The foster parent gets paid $900.00 a month, gets the kids SSI disability stipend for another cool $700, and finally the parents get sued for child support, and if they lost their job while they were being court ordered here and their and having a nervous breakdown and grief due to legal strain and financial ruin, then they can just live in jail while the courts use that as evidence that they're not stable or decent people and should not parent. All in all, a State foster care worker gets about $2000.00 a month and their job is to make sure you lose in court.

A parent never gets paid $2000.00 a month to care for their own kids, but the incentive for other people to do it for them means they can quit their jobs and start a rewarding full time career working for the county as your personal enemy. Everything they and about 5 other people on state payroll will be toward making you POOR, if you already aren't. You're right.

The government is paying out salaries to the tune of about 100k a year for their workers to make sure several families for each worker lose their everything - from their insurance to their jobs to their families and homes. When whole neighborhoods begin to empty and be boarded up or demolished, people will realize the government planned it all along - they already sold it all out from underneath the community to the highest bidder and have to make good.

Oh, you own a home? Well, you don't need it anymore! Little Suzie's doctors are selling that home, because you owe them money. Its ok, you don't need all that stuff any way - see how stressed out you are? ACA allowed us to make sure you cannot keep your little Suzie in poverty since you cannot afford insurance and cannot hold a job. ACA also allowed the IRS and the authorities to enforce the new laws. Your grandmother and your children will soon be the currency the state will seize to pay back the debtors.

When you get sued because someone at the ACA medical facility or hospital made a mistake on the paperwork, remind the people suing you that the new laws are causing you to be criminalized and they will explain all about the new mandated reporting requirements and how you being an uninsured parent also makes you an unfit parent. If you tell them you're uninsured because you lost your job because of a family illness, they will tell you that is against the law - and thus it is not possible, and did not happen.

Now, you've paid off your child support with jail time. Its no big deal, you are no longer a parent. Go get into that line - now you have PTSD from the trauma and you will be eligible for disability. While you wait, get onto TANF, GR, and get onto the wait list for section 8.

Job? What job? How are you going to get a job when you're mentally ill, on the streets, and have a criminal record? You don't need a job. You just need some more medication to help you cope with the strain of waiting for the government to help you. Do you believe in God? I think you need to have some faith./s

~Script of people who love ACA, because it provided them a job.

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[–] Captain_Tightpants ago 

that because the middle class thought of the rich and powerful as on their side because we are all american, when in reality the middle class was the exact same as poor to the people running this shit show.

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[–] Lake 2 points 26 points (+28|-2) ago 

Well, you got penalized if you maybe, possibly could have afforded insurance. Basically if you have a job you will be penalized.

The people that were already living off of our glorious welfare system weren't effected negatively at all.

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[–] GoatClassic 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

That is basically what I got from it.. I'm not going to pretend like I understand all the ins and outs of the insurance industry.. But those for sure are the 3 takeaways(Increases, fines & cut hours). It has got to the point with my company that if I don't give them blood, do a bio-metric screening and prove I am healthy then my insurance costs would be 8k per year before my 4k deductible..

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[–] Ziekk 1 point 15 points (+16|-1) ago 

Mine has gone up 237% in the last 3 years. I can't afford to have a healthy family any more. I know what they want: me to work less, get on medicaid and welfare, and have more cash in my pockets than we do now. Fuck them, I work for what I get.

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[–] Voat_a_Goat_Mamma [S] 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

My husband's company does the same.

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[–] The_Green_Bastard 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

No that's pretty much it. And I am a huge supporter if healthcare reform. I honestly see the AHCA as a step in the same terrible direction. What you described is really what it has amounted to. It didn't reform healthcare, it just made it more convoluted and more unfair for the middle and lower class.

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[–] TalkingAnimal 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

There's one good thing that came from it: You don't need to be afraid to use your insurance. After personally having a relative who had their insurance cancelled after getting diagnosed with cancer, it's nice to know that protection is in there.

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[–] PassingShip 10 points 39 points (+49|-10) ago 

Can we set up an intelligent single payer system yet?

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[–] YourDumbWhat 1 point 43 points (+44|-1) ago 

Not so long as insurance agencies can continue to buy politicians.

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[–] Bindlestiff 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago 

it's not just insurance agencies. drug companies and the AMA are the majority of the problem. the AMA tries to keep the number of med students low to keep the demand for care high.drug companies buy patents and jack up prices. if insurance companies could buy drugs for pennies on the dollar from india, they'd do it. and if insurance companies could get cheaper doctors, they'd do that too.

and then you've got the countries obesity problem and an aging population, which is another discussion entirely.

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[–] poodog ago 

Just starting kneecapping the grandkids of lobbyists.

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[–] senpaithatignoresyou 1 point 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

Trump is proposing one,and i think sanders is as well...

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[–] tribblepuncher 1 point 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

I certainly hope so. I'm getting tired of the constant refrain of "all conservatives want you to die horribly of cancer, pay up or die" that seems to be the norm. Believe it or not, this is not actually the case, and a lot realize the medical industry is fucked up and needs fixing.

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[–] ReadShift 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

So that you can know definitively: Sanders' healthcare plan. "We must expand 'Medicare for All' by creating a single-payer health-care system for every American."

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[–] freedumbz 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

This is what I think they are going to push for next. Use obamacare to make it a mess, then gov't can ride in and "save the day" the way other countries have.

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[–] physicscat 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Do I want this joke of a government in charge of my healthcare? Hell no.

Get government out insurance. Make it more competitive. It's the only way rates will truly go down.

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[–] sniper98g ago 

So you are arguing that there should be zero regulation of insurance and if you get really sick or old your insurance company should just be able to cancel your policy?

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[–] Thirdful 0 points 29 points (+29|-0) ago 

Soo, the 400k gonna be fined for not having insurance right?

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[–] ABitStiffyInHere 1 point 12 points (+13|-1) ago 

Anal lube stocks are skyrocketing under this government.

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[–] ACCOUNT_DELETED 1 point 7 points (+8|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Nah. Open enrollment starts soon, in a couple of weeks. They can sign up with a different company and have insurance effective January 1st, by which time the tax folks will be asking if they have insurance coverage.

They just have to hope like hell they don't get in a car wreck or break a hip or have an attack of appendicitis between now and then, though, they could be wiped out for life. I imagine a small percentage of those 400,000 will have that misfortune.

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[–] mommahen 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

I don't have insurance. I fall into a group that will not be fined for not signing up, and it's a good thing because our household budget can't absorb a $300 a month hit. It just can't, not without selling the house and moving into an apt it some shit.

You know what I worry about? It's not being hit by a car, or leukemia, or breaking an ankle. It's not being able to go to the Dr when I have a cold turning into bronchitis. Or not being able to have my heel spurs injected with cortisone so I can walk without it feeling like I'm stepping on Legos. The only <$500/ month plans had $5k deductibles, which certainly doesn't get me any closer to the Dr office.

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[–] hwong 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Yup. Happened to my gfriend. Lost her insurance through some paper work fookup, gotta pay the fine this year. What a wonderful system.

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[–] Scine 2 points 19 points (+21|-2) ago 

I love how people are so fucking stupid that they fell for this bullshit.

Obama: "Hey, we want people to have healthcare!"

People: "Hooray!"

Me: "Then why do we need to involve insurance companies at all? Why can't we just expand Medicare to cover everyone?"

Everyone I asked that question: ".......Racist!"

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[–] BoiseNTheHood 5 points 3 points (+8|-5) ago 

Medicare is hurtling towards bankruptcy as-is. Imagine how quickly it would collapse if everyone was put on it.

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[–] sniper98g 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Right now, most everyone is paying a little bit into medicare and only the people who can't pay or are otherwise uninsurable are getting any benefits from it. Wouldn't it be better to not have to pay for your own insurance, plus deductibles, plus insurance for other people that you're not allowed to used?

I certainly think it would, even if that meant a bit more taken out of my pay check. Also, if you think there isn't any fraud or waste in private insurance, I have some bad news for you.

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[–] chmod 2 points 13 points (+15|-2) ago 

But I thought I could keep my plan!

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[–] dv1155 13 points 9 points (+22|-13) ago 

Socialism: a miserable failure every single time its tried.

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[–] derbyvoice71 6 points 12 points (+18|-6) ago 

Since this isn't an example of socialism, your point is ...?

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[–] sniper98g 4 points 5 points (+9|-4) ago  (edited ago)

I think you're a bit confused.

Socialism isn't being forced to use private for profit insurance companies.

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[–] TheTrigger 8 points 1 point (+9|-8) ago  (edited ago)

You realize that every country with socialised health care is doing way better, byyy faaaaar, than the US ever did?

This failed because it's quasi-socialism. It feels like it is, but it's more like a capitalist, government sanctioned monopoly on health care.

Gee. I wonder why it didn't work out.

EDIT: lol @ the butt-hurt downvoat that can't handle the truth.

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[–] epik- 5 points 0 points (+5|-5) ago 

bbubu-but you don't understand, this isn't real socialism, real socialism brings forth a blissful utopia!~

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[–] dv1155 2 points 1 point (+3|-2) ago 

Yes, and communism just hasn't been tried by the right people yet!

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