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[–] derfherdez 0 points 49 points (+49|-0) ago 

You don't say.

If you didn't get advanced copies, you are on the exploited side.

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[–] flarflar 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

Came here to say exactly this. That's why this deal is shit.

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[–] Apeabel 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Wait. Are you telling me the TPP and presumably TTIP as well are deals that only benefit corporations and the super rich? And that corporations will be able to sue whole countries?

Are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that free trade agreements that aren't talked about, are not open to view by the public and parts of national governments & won't take public opinion into consideration, that those deals, are something bad?

I'm sure our beloved governments/EU overlords have only the best for us in mind and just don't want to bother us with 'boring political stuff'.. I'm sure....

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[–] HoneyNutStallmans 0 points 29 points (+29|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Let's see...

You can't read it. You can't negotiate it. Corporations get a pipeline straight into negotiations and its development.

To whom do people think the TPP mainly benefits?

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[–] idle_voating 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago  (edited ago)

The worst part is that the corporations are right when they say they can get whatever they want and the majority of people are unable to do shit to stop it. Mainly because so few even know about it, yet plenty knew all about that wedge issue, gay marriage and gun control crap.

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[–] HoneyNutStallmans 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Kim Davis!!

Oregon shooting!!

Russia bombing civilians!!

People washing up on the shores in the Mediterranean!!

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[–] wwwhistler 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

you might have even less of a say than you think. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tu32CCA_Ig

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[–] HenryCorp [S] 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

The customers, of course, because corporations only care about their customers' satisfaction. ;)

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[–] CatNamedJava 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

As a person who works for a corporation. Im feel like I benefit from it. Looking forward to bonus season.

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[–] Matter_and_Form 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

As a person who is quickly rising in a medium sized company I'm wondering how long it will be before my whole company is exported to a shit-hole country, or we are driven out of the market by other companies that do the same.

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[–] BleakBaron 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I'm just confused about how anything that couldn't be read was agreed to? How in the fuck does that happen?

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[–] Matter_and_Form 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Everybody but us can read it. Also, this has been highlighted elsewhere in the thread but it hasn't been passed by member states yet, just the wording has been agreed on. So do something about it while we still can. Tell a coworker, incite a riot, something.

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[–] MaxDragon 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

I wonder how something that seems bad for about 99% of the population managed to get pushed through.

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[–] JesTheRed 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

Hey, we could honestly have stopped this anytime we wanted.

All we had to do was put together a couple of hundred suitcases full of cash and buy the votes for more than the supporters bought their votes for.

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[–] CarpetDime 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

If even one percent of us were in the streets, this would be dead in an instant. Don't pretend the only power we have is to play into the corruption.

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[–] Turnip_Time 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Public Service Announcement: I don't recommend or advocate the use of violence against our elected officials. This comment is meant as a joke and is not to be taken seriously. This should cover my ass, right?

I think it'd be cheaper and more effective to just fill the suitcases with Semtex instead.

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[–] flarflar 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I'll get right on the cash from my stash wall safe.

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[–] wwwhistler 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

you too? i post that video every chance i get.

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[–] Turnip_Time 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

What really scares me is that this is a non partisan issue. I've yet to see any of us mortals defending TPP. People all across the political spectrum are yelling about how much of a bad idea it is and the powers that be just give a big "fuck you" to us peasants and push it through anyway. They're becoming more and more brazen as we become more and more complacent.

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[–] MaxDragon 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

You noticed? The rate at which the government has started pushing its own agenda has increased drastically and is increasing at a daily rate, yet the average american has no clue what their government has become. Will Americans exercise their 2nd amendment right to overthrow a government that no longer has their interest at heart? My opinion, not a chance. The government had spent the last 5-6 decades slowly cowing the masses. They now have them ready for slaughter. There will be little to no resistance.

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[–] coldacid 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Because the people are too cowed to take up arms and flush out the bandits that rule over us.

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[–] toker7 2 points 14 points (+16|-2) ago 

The TTP is a poor attempt by US corporations to reign in the economic powers in Asia at the cost of the rights of American workers and citizens.

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[–] PM_ME_YOUR_ESSENCE 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

Well, their only other alternative is to empower American workers so they can compete. And we can't have that.

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[–] whitewomenarewhores 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

They might get a ladder to climb above us, so lets just staple everybody to the ground so no one is ahead.

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[–] CatNamedJava 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

No it is a attempt to bind Asia to the US and not China.

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[–] AHappyBulgarianFrog 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Hardly a poor attempt when its already gotten approval to be fast tracked through congress. All your local Congressman has to do is hit yes and collect their check.

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[–] Quawonk 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago  (edited ago)

The Trans-Pacific Pact (TPP) is a One-Sided Deal to Help the 1%

In other news, water is wet.

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[–] Crashmarik 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

It is kind of amazing that this made it through despite being hated by both the right and the left.

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[–] crabby_rabbit 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

it is beloved by the top

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[–] novictim 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

And so was the WTO body, and GATT and NAFTA and every trade deal.

The "Deal" is always to pit the worlds labour against one another. And the 1% get to profit from this.

So why does this end in disaster for everyone in the end? Cheating the consumer-worker destroys consumerism. As industries mature and automation and labour saving systems are employed, worker-consumers lose all leverage to advance their wages. And while goods do get cheaper, wages inevitable plummet faster until subsistence levels are reached.

We have two choice to make a clean break from this Free-Trade/Low tariff/outsourcing trickle down nightmare:

The Best Choice IMO is Bernie Sanders.

The Only other choice is The Donald.

If we don't get either of these two then forget about it. Read this study 'cause that is going to continue to be our future:

"The results provide substantial support for theories of Economic-Elite Domination and for theories of Biased Pluralism, but not for theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy or Majoritarian Pluralism."

http://journals.cambridge.org/download.php?file=%2FPPS%2FPPS12_03%2FS1537592714001595a.pdf&code=1a90741f0f00ddbd00828a47df480146

Sanders/Trump 2016!

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[–] Avnomke 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

The TPP isn't a free trade deal. A free trade deal would be less than a page long, basically consisting of "we won't restrict you from selling stuff inside our borders". The TPP has far too many restrictions to be a free trade deal.

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[–] novictim 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Yes, I know. It is mostly a sweet-heart package for oligarchs and massive conglomerates. And no doubt, bribes well invested are trading hands in many countries to make this all happen.

"...GE is now headed by Jack Welch, who has said, "Ideally you'd have every plant you own on a barge" -- ready to move if any national government tried to impose restraints on the factories' operations, or if workers demanded better wages and working conditions."

http://www.jacksonprogressive.com/issues/mokhiberweissman/ge051700.html

Of course, Welch is no longer at GE but his ideal is the universal oligarch ideal. These trade deals always push in that direction. Inevitably, these deals make it cheaper and easier to move capital from one place to another and to undermine the domestic workforce bargaining power.

Even though we don't yet know the text and you are right that their is a lot to this deal, we do know that the "Free Trade" part is still present and it takes to form of even lower tariffs and increased ability to move professional workers around to but professional wages, making wage laws and worker protection laws unfeasible by not allowing countries to use their higher standards for the purpose of either raising the price on imports or blocking them.

My point is this: Trade Deals are a driving force for wealth inequality. They always have been. That is their function.

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[–] ZyklonBen 3 points 3 points (+6|-3) ago 

1%= ✡

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[–] cat-dildo 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago  (edited ago)

OOOYYYY VEEYYY!!1!

PACK IT UP THE GOYIM KNOW

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