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[–] CircusFreak 8 points 212 points (+220|-8) ago 

In the 100 meter dash in the Olympics, white athletes lose by an average of 8 feet. Whites will now start 8 feet in front of black athletes.

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[–] Samizdat-Press 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

You would have to prove standing by showing how it materially damaged you.

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[–] Dr_stevebrule 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Affirmative action is legal

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[–] Lonecrowe 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Sounds fair to me.

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[–] makaw 21 points 67 points (+88|-21) ago  (edited ago)

Your sources include

  1. An article about a Chinese girl making a power point presentation to other Chinese people with no actual sources cited. (the article of course covers general bias in the admission process but no automatic bonus points) and

  2. A book that cites a 1976 study showing an average achievement gap of 240 points. This drops in the 80s to 189 and went back up again to 209. No "free bonus points".

Better sources regarding SAT "free bonus scores" specifically would be great.

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[–] iamjanesleftnipple 5 points 37 points (+42|-5) ago 

Also, this looks like it's saying that they gain the extra points at the college admission table, not at SAT time... It's not like the SAT computers add it in, it's when the colleges are considering who to let in, so there's your beef.

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[–] european 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

What is the purpose of a sat score?

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[–] grlldcheese 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Yep. Schools basically use an algorithm to filter down students.

When the gpa, sat, brownie points for community service algo gives you a list of all Asian and white applicants, what now?

If the school values diversity, they adjust the algo. There's no pretty way to do that. So either they take X of each racial category or they adjust 'points'.

The real scary part of this comes when you start talking about the applicants ability to pay. If the school isn't rich and thus need blind, you can imagine how many 'points' they give kids who don't need financial aid.

Source: went to a really prissy prep school AND my Asian mother was a college counselor at a public school with smart poor Asian kids. It was the perfect storm of Asian guilt tripping. My school also kept stealing her schools math teachers to coach competitions. Suck it, already negatively privileged minorities.

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[–] eagleshigh 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

The Opportunity Cost of Admission Preferences - Princeton University

Using data from the Na- tional Study of College Experience on 124,374 applications for admission during the 1980s and the fall semesters of 1993 and 1997, they found that elite universities give extra weight in admissions to candidates whose SAT scores are above 1500, who are African American, and who are student athletes. A smaller, but nevertheless important, preference is extended to Hispanic and legacy applicants. African-American applicants receive the equivalent of 230 extra SAT points (on a 1600-point scale), and being Hispanic is worth an additional 185 SAT points. Other things equal, recruited athletes gain an admission bonus worth 200 points, while the preference for legacy candidates is worth 160 points. Asian-American applicantsface a loss equivalent to 50 SAT points. The underrepresented minority advantage is greatest for African-American and Hispanic applicants whose SAT scores are in the 1200–1300 range, and not for applicants near the lower end of the SAT distribution as some have suggested (cf. Dugan et al., 1996). Finally, the advantage that athletes have over nonathletes in elite uni- versity admissions has been growing, whereas the strength of the minority student advantage, especially for Hispanic candidates, has been waning.

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[–] slerpy 10 points 8 points (+18|-10) ago 

OP didn't really prove his point at all.

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[–] ForgotMyName 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago 

Oh, you've just run into the racist cabal. Congrats. I've tried having this conversation with them but they're blinded by their hoods and torches. It's easier to downvote him than post any kind of intelligent reply.

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[–] RedditDead2005-2015 4 points 26 points (+30|-4) ago 

Damn, Asians get penalized 50 points. That's institutionalized racism, but no one cares because it's just Asians. Asians and Indians are the most discriminated groups in America. Indians get the backlash for looking similar to Muslims, especially Sikhs who always get murdered because people think they're Muslims.

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[–] G4 1 points 13 points (+14|-1) ago 

Sikhs who always get murdered

always get murdered

plz

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[–] siglamide 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Buddy, there's a logic problem going on in your post.

We have groups A, B and C in America.

Groups A and B are the most discriminated against because everyone thinks they're C, who everyone REALLY hates.

Might want to rethink that one.

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[–] jimmyrussel 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Yup, and it's shit like this that made me tick the 'White' box on the college admissions apps back in the day (and corresponds to around that time the paper was published). I could get away with it because I had a last name that could pass for either Asian or White. According to that Princeton paper that people are citing here, that was worth 50 SAT points. At the time you could see collegeboard.com statistics of the admitted students (including sex and race breakdowns).

This is why I'm for need based financial aid and merit based admission.

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[–] The_Adventurist 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I don't think anyone is saying the SAT's add points to your score based on race. They are saying your race influences the admissions board and are measuring that influence based on SAT discrepancies. That is to say an Asian person with SATs 50 points higher than the white person who has 180 points more than the hispanic person and 240 points higher than the black person will be judged as having completely equal chances of admission. If all their scores were the same, the black person would have the equivalent admission preference of a white person who scored 240 points higher on their SATs.

It's confusing, but it's also the easiest way to measure admissions biases.

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[–] peacegnome 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

They would never be able to write that paper in modern times.

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[–] mcwilshire 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago  (edited ago)

It's funny. If you look around a college campus and think "the black students here were not as qualified, on average, as the white students" people would think "hold on now, that sounds racist". It's also just another way of describing affirmative action and is a logical truism that follows from affirmative action. Now apply to doctors, lawyers, etc. Really too bad for the individual blacks who are qualified and don't need affirmative action.

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[–] makaw 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

They showed that the trend doesn't follow into employment. Colleges work on a higher quota system then employers. They just need a token. If they get a mixed race female it's like bingo and they close up shop.

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[–] jollycynic 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

It definitely follows through in public sector hiring.

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[–] hypercat 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Maybe this is why students identify as black even if only one of their grandparents or great grandparents were black. Like that gay who is totally white who pretended to be black and ran a chapter of NAACP?

Like is there a cut off of when you can claim to be black? Like native Americans you have to be 25% to get your blue card? Or can you be like 16% black and as long as you appear darker you can say what you want?

Not trolling or being racist, just always wondered about this.

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[–] piratse 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Uhhh dude, it's 2015, you can just self identify now. No more science, just what you FEEL! I feel I am a Norwegian black dolphin, see you bitches at Harvard.

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[–] hypercat 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Hahaha. Well, if you can take advantage of the system who is to stop him. Getting federal grants for school, help with loans, filling in spaces for affirmative action, it might be advantageous to be black when needed and white when you need some privilege.

I do seriously wonder if there is a cutoff on when you can be 'black'.

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[–] makaw 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Yep It's called the One-Drop Rule: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule. Every race in the U.S. still unconsciously follows the rule.That's why noone remembers that Obama is half-white.

The Plessy v. Fergusson trial was actually about a guy who was only 1/8th black (an "Octoroon") sitting in an all white train car.

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[–] RedditDead2005-2015 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

It's so much easier being black if you live among whites and actually get opportunities handed to you. Standards for blacks are much lower so I can understand why whites would want to pass themselves off as blacks in white communities. The average white is a superstar genius if he can pass himself off as black. I think Neil DeGrasse Tyson is one example.

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[–] european 1 points 10 points (+11|-1) ago 

Google ..... The Opportunity Cost of Admission Preferences - Princeton University

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[–] Viropher 2 points 6 points (+8|-2) ago 

Ive heard of this awhile ago, its nice to see more and more mainstream sources carrying this.

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