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[–] fgutrfgu 2 points 3 points (+5|-2) ago 

But to follow your logic (and I use the term loosely)... why go after the people running the trains? They didn't kill anyone.

Why go after the guards at the camp?

Why go after the guy closing the door to the 'showers'?

Even the guy giving orders never killed anyone?

The idea is that we, as a society, hold people responsible for crimes, even if committed as part of a group. Nonw she is not being charged with murder, but as an accessory. An important distinction, I hope you'll agree.

I think we should be charging more people, not fewer. Charge this poor, little, frail old lady (whose only wrong was to be part of the administration of a fucking concentration camp and who would have known exactly what the fuck was going on there).

We should also be charging ex-members of government for overthrowing foreign governments in central america, ex-presidents for starting wars, etc. etc.

The people who enable this kind of thing and turn a blind eye, or tacitly agree, are to my mind, more dangerous than those barking orders. People who don't put much thought into what they do. People who face away from the effort of decision or control. People who don't want to cause trouble. These are the people that scare me in society - and there are a lot of you.

None of those orders would kill anyone if any of the hundreds of people down the line, only one or two, started saying No.

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[–] fgutrfgu 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Indeed it was a pointed statement - referencing...

People who don't put much thought into what they do.

Especially seeing as so many folks on here (the op and most folks in this thread included) and Reddit seem to exercise only their patellar reflex, and not their minds.

And yes, I have seen and done some crazy shit around the world. I don't have any issue being problematic, confrontational, ethical or standing alone for what is right. I've stood up for, lost, walked away from, convinced, changed, and been forced out of myriad situations where keeping your mouth shut or doing nothing would've been far 'easier' but entirely wrong.

Holding up a mirror to society is a civil obligation.

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[–] 84626433832795028841 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

But to follow your logic (and I use the term loosely)... why go after the people running the trains? They didn't kill anyone.

Let me borrow your "logic": nobody is innocent so we just kill all Germans, Japanese and Italians for WW2, kill all Americans for what evil the US government has done, kill all people from ex-Soviet republics for communism, kill all British for colonialism, kill all Africans for enslaving each other, kill all Chinese for Mao's genocide, aw hell just kill everyone for eradicating neanderthals and be done with it, leave the planet to the monkeys.

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[–] fgutrfgu 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Just because I disagree with one person's idiot logic does not necessitate that I must support the absolute inverse of it.

That would be quite daft.

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[–] JustinSults 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

The idea is that we, as a society, hold people responsible for crimes, even if committed as part of a group. Nonw she is not being charged with murder, but as an accessory. An important distinction, I hope you'll agree.

I don't. The camp guards were tried in multiple trials from 1947 in Poland, to several trials in the 1950s and 1960s.

They usually let underlings go because they were considered unimportant and of no consequence. The people who lasted this long were literally the lowest of the low in chain of command. The grunts. The nobodies.

Anyone of consequence who got away was at least slightly to very much older and therefore died in the 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, and at the latest 1980s. A lot of upper-middle management slipped through the radar so to speak until they died.

Now we have generations of prosecutors who want to make a name for themselves taking publicly easy trials against people who can't put up a defense. These are mock trials.

Simply being a guard at Ausschwitz was not a crime all those decades. Even in the 1947 trial in Poland guards walked free. You had to DO something cruel outside job description and have witnesses. Most witnesses FOR and AGAINST are long gone.

Now the crime is new, the ultimate in ex post facto law which in the US is unconstitutional. Recently written in such a way to bring these last few stragglers to so-called justice and give them no possible defense. Simply being posted at Ausschwitz or the dozens of other camps. Guilty outside actual action. "Accessory" to hundreds of thousands of killings. Uh huh.

Yeah, right. These people are being screwed from both ends. Back then as nobodies in a system way larger than them and now. While many of their bosses and boss's bosses got off scot free. This isn't justice. It's a feel good circus.

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[–] fgutrfgu 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I feel no sympathy for this lady having to go through a court case. Again, as above, I don't know why you all think being charged is the same as being imprisoned?

Let the record show what this lady was part of. Whatever you do with her afterwards, I couldn't care less.

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[–] polygontranslucent 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Then charge everyone who supported the war or fought for it, without them there would have been no camps, no sixty million dead.

Cherry picking one here or there doesn't really make a lot of sense, this was settled after WWII when the German government let most of the SS left alive walk free.

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[–] fgutrfgu 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

You seem to think that charging someone is the same as incarcerating them. Why?

What happens to them is up to the courts and civil society... but at the very least charge them for their part.

Charge the fuckers. Let it be part of the record. Let it stand in history.