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[–] Dereliction 3 points 12 points (+15|-3) ago 

Manslaughter seems lenient for that ruthless bitch.

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[–] Totenglocke 2 points 6 points (+8|-2) ago 

Just another step towards the goal of not being able to say anything someone might construe as negative. Thanks, Socially Retarded Warriors!

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[–] steve0suprem0 3 points 1 points (+4|-3) ago 

i'm more inclined to compare this to speech inciting rioting.

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[–] selpai 8 points 6 points (+14|-8) ago 

Which is stupid. I don't want to see this precedent set. Yes, there's a kneejerk reaction that she should be punished, but the ends doesn't justify the means here.

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[–] WackArnold 4 points 13 points (+17|-4) ago 

I might agree if she hadn't been on the phone with him while he was actively trying to kill himself.

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[–] dabork 6 points 22 points (+28|-6) ago  (edited ago)

Exactly. People are trying to make it seem like she's being charged with killing a person over a couple of bitchy texts. He was literally in the process of killing himself, quit, and she actively encouraged him to continue. She was literally talking to him while he was killing himself and kept telling him to go for it and accusing him of being a coward. Anyone who reads through the entire text history between these two and still believes she's not responsible enough for his death to deserve to be punished is completely in denial. She's not getting a murder charge, she's not going to prison for life, they're not putting her to death. She's going to end up getting a slap for this, she might go away for a couple of years, but she'll do 50% of her sentence (if that), and end up on probation for a couple of years once everybody's done being mad.

That said, I honestly would be happier if they committed her to a mental institute for a while instead. She's not going to learn anything in jail and she obviously has some problems if she is capable of this kind of thing. This is sociopathic level thinking and jail never fixes that.

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[–] Gracchi 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Doesn't matter. People should be responsible for their own actions. We shouldn't defelct that responsibility on to someone else's words. We have free will to choose what words we listen to or not. The only way this makes sense is as an accessory to a crime and suicide should not be illegal.

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[–] selpai 2 points -1 points (+1|-2) ago  (edited ago)

No one is debating her moral responsibility. But telling someone to go and do something is not the same as doing it yourself. No one has an inherent responsibility to intervene on anthers behalf. I fear how arbitrary the law will become if a precedent like this is set.

People love to absolve themselves of responsibility and say "they made me do it!" "i wouldn't have done so and so if they hadn't done/said ____", but the law generally doesn't acknowledge that, and in many cases says it's outright bullshit.

Can the prosecution prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that this man would not have committed suicide without the intervention of this woman/girl? I don't think so. By all accounts he was predisposed to suicidal thoughts.

If i hand out pamphlets saying that black people should kill themselves and rid society of their burden, i am certainly a racist asshole and deserve societies scorn, but am i responsible for the death of an emotionally fragile black woman who reads the pamphlet and commits suicide?

On one hand juries do exist to make decisions that are beyond the scope of the law, but on the other hand... well nothing i guess. I won't be such a hypocrite as to only defend jury nullification when i support the outcome. Someone else will decide this case, and not me. That's really the important thing i guess. I wouldn't convict her. I would hate her like hell and recommend some sort of therapy, but she doesn't belong in prison.

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[–] derbyvoice71 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago 

I was reading someone's comment on one of the story postings, and it seems that Massachusetts' definition of manslaughter is rooted in something other than statutory law. It comes down to a reasonable person being in a situation and not taking the steps to do anything that they could reasonably do to prevent the death. So beyond the fact that she not only didn't call 911 despite knowing of the act being committed but that she actively encouraged him to the point of telling him to get back in the car and finish the job part way in.

I'm not even speaking to his mental state or his part in it, but she had several outs on beyond actively cheering him on and being involved in both phone and text communication with him during the suicide. Ignorance of the law is no excuse, and fucking ignorant is a really nice way to describe this piece of carbon.

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[–] jeegte12 4 points -1 points (+3|-4) ago  (edited ago)

what precedent is that? "if you're caught actively and blatantly influencing someone to kill themselves, you'll be punished." that precedent?

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[–] dissmani 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

We as people are supposed to be responsible for our own actions. He made the decision to kill himself. He is responsible.

When I was in school, I was picked on mercilessly, but I chose that they were not worth me losing the rest of my life over. He chose to kill himself. What she did was morally wrong, but I still don't like the transfer of responsibility.

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[–] selpai 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Yes, that one. You aren't responsible for anyone elses actions but your own. I've already discussed this issue at length though, and you're not adding anything new or even intelligent to the discussion. I wonder at times exactly how long a thought brews in someone's head, before they put it online in a forum post. Not long apparently.

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[–] poodog 2 points -2 points (+0|-2) ago 

It's one thing to say, "Kill yourself" and it's another to encourage someone to kill themselves over and over and over again while they're holding a gun to their head.

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[–] selpai 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

It's really not.

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[–] Zaqwert 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I'm not sure if what she did was illegal, but she's certainly a really twisted, evil bitch.

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[–] bdmthrfkr 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

While this evil bitch is the face of all evil bitches I can't see how she is responsible for that man's death. How many times has a woman told you to do something incredibly stupid and you actually did it... it was your fault. You have something called free will and so did that guy. Use it.

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[–] derbyvoice71 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

While she may not be directly responsible for his suicide, do you deny that she did the wrong thing by talking with him on the phone and texting, egging him on instead of calling 911 and informing them of his attempt?

That is what is being said in the MA manslaughter definition; a reasonable person under these circumstances would not have taken this course of action and probably would have called 911. Check the definition of manslaughter as it appears in the Commonwealth. It may now be up to a grand jury and ultimately a jury.

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[–] bdmthrfkr 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

While I am not cognizant of all of the Manslaughter laws of all 50 States I can easily say that this was entirely the fault of the idiot who killed himself based on her suggestions. And yes, they were suggestions, not orders. She had no legal or moral right to issue that man an order so anything that she said falls into the category of a suggestion. Also, I was not aware that not reporting a crime in progress was also a crime in and of itself, which appears to be the prosecutions argument. Like I said, that bitch is straight up evil (and was a minor at the time) and will have to live with her vile behavior for the rest of her life. Don't let this young man's mistake fall on deaf ears, the next time some female (or male) tries to convince you to do something incredibly stupid just do what is right and tell the dumb bitch to shut the fuck up. You are ultimately responsible for your own actions. Imagine that the guy had robbed a liquor store and then showed the texts from his best friend that he should nut up or shut up. Still his crime.

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[–] eldorann 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Idiots. All of you.

If a person is mentally damaged to the point of going over the edge and committing suicide because some girl says harsh things, then that person was already going to suicide at a later date.

She sped up the process and helped a mentally weak human remove themselves from the gene pool.

You are rioting when a person killed themselves because of a text message.

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[–] MiniReaper 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I thought she was on the phone with him while it happened?

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[–] SolarBaby 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Reading the whole of the transcripts and sequence of events makes it apparent that her manipulation of this guy was entirely intentional. Her insistence on the deletion of all the chat transcripts shows complete cognizance of what her actions were and how it would be perceived by any third party.

I agree that people should be responsible for their own actions, but this is an extraordinary case. Forget these crappy media articles and read the actual court documents and full transcripts of Carter and Conrad's relationship, communications and aftermath.

She is pure evil. This is one of the most emotional horrific things I've ever witnessed. This is not involuntary manslaughter it is quite clearly intentional. She and her "poor-me" pouty face should never see the light of day again.

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[–] sugleris 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Unfortunately these is an extremely touchy subject. From what I seen it would be pretty ridiculous to even pretend for a moment that she's completely free of any responsibility when she's on the line talking him into killing himself.

I try to imagine if someone from a suicide help line went rogue and somehow convinced poor souls to kill themselves. Should we persecute them only on the basis that they betrayed the job? Or the fact they could be argued in the court of law to be somewhat legally culpable for the deaths?

Just keeping the discussion open instead of down voting and moving on.

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