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I just think it's funny that they were allowed to join the EU based on a fake economic situation in the first place. Their economy was shit before they joined the EU, and all of the things that they did to hide and distort this finally came to call a few years ago.
Norway, Switzerland, and Iceland are not living in the sort of financial fiction that Greece was before they joined the EU.
(Disclaimer : I'm not an economist, but I've listened to seemingly smart people who were not trying to come to a pre-determed conclusion.)
I like your admission that you rely on sources - may I suggest you find some new ones? Particularly those based outside of the US/Anglosphere. You'll be stunned at how different the world looks in another language or with different eyes. Some of the things that are deemed economic law or common sense consensus in the West are absolutely not regarded in the same way by much of the world. To suggest outright that they are wrong and the West is right smacks of a type of ethnocentrism that is well-established over the past 500 years.
Greece absolutely should NOT have been brought into the Eurozone - we can agree on that. But how did it happen? Well, some rich corrupt assholes who bought/inherited their way to leadership positions decided they wanted to be in the club so they could scam a bunch of German loans. To do this they hired the top economic crooks in the land, Goldman Sachs, who showed them how to cook the books for a reasonable fee. This is of course criminal but I don't see the Economist calling for the heads of GS.
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>I like your admission that you rely on sources - may I suggest you find some new ones?
Because Greece's economy was not full of hidden shit? Or because you like making assumptions?
>Greece absolutely should NOT have been brought into the Eurozone - we can agree on that.
Ah, so I was right, you like making assumptions.
>Well, some rich corrupt assholes who bought/inherited their way to leadership positions decided they wanted to be in the club so they could scam a bunch of German loans. To do this they hired the top economic crooks in the land, Goldman Sachs, who showed them how to cook the books for a reasonable fee. This is of course criminal but I don't see the Economist calling for the heads of GS.
There was a lot more involved than just GS, and it's not like GS just came out of no-where, swooped down, and took over the Greek Statistics Office. Also, what does "The Economist" have to do with this conversation? If you have something to add other than random bile and a predetermined villain, please add it to the conversation.
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[–] Irony_Dan [S] 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
I just think it's funny that they were allowed to join the EU based on a fake economic situation in the first place. Their economy was shit before they joined the EU, and all of the things that they did to hide and distort this finally came to call a few years ago.
Norway, Switzerland, and Iceland are not living in the sort of financial fiction that Greece was before they joined the EU.
(Disclaimer : I'm not an economist, but I've listened to seemingly smart people who were not trying to come to a pre-determed conclusion.)
[–] Empire_of_the_mind 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago (edited ago)
I like your admission that you rely on sources - may I suggest you find some new ones? Particularly those based outside of the US/Anglosphere. You'll be stunned at how different the world looks in another language or with different eyes. Some of the things that are deemed economic law or common sense consensus in the West are absolutely not regarded in the same way by much of the world. To suggest outright that they are wrong and the West is right smacks of a type of ethnocentrism that is well-established over the past 500 years.
Greece absolutely should NOT have been brought into the Eurozone - we can agree on that. But how did it happen? Well, some rich corrupt assholes who bought/inherited their way to leadership positions decided they wanted to be in the club so they could scam a bunch of German loans. To do this they hired the top economic crooks in the land, Goldman Sachs, who showed them how to cook the books for a reasonable fee. This is of course criminal but I don't see the Economist calling for the heads of GS.
[–] Irony_Dan [S] 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago (edited ago)
>I like your admission that you rely on sources - may I suggest you find some new ones?
Because Greece's economy was not full of hidden shit? Or because you like making assumptions?
>Greece absolutely should NOT have been brought into the Eurozone - we can agree on that.
Ah, so I was right, you like making assumptions.
>Well, some rich corrupt assholes who bought/inherited their way to leadership positions decided they wanted to be in the club so they could scam a bunch of German loans. To do this they hired the top economic crooks in the land, Goldman Sachs, who showed them how to cook the books for a reasonable fee. This is of course criminal but I don't see the Economist calling for the heads of GS.
There was a lot more involved than just GS, and it's not like GS just came out of no-where, swooped down, and took over the Greek Statistics Office. Also, what does "The Economist" have to do with this conversation? If you have something to add other than random bile and a predetermined villain, please add it to the conversation.