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[–] daskapitalist 1 points 31 points (+32|-1) ago 

Background for anyone who missed it: Exis banned a user for this: http://i.imgur.com/iSaG40r.png

He then made a lengthy rant sticky arguing that he banned the user for being a "shill" who violated rule 1. He then argued at length in comments with many users in that sticky post and banned many of them for violating rule 1 or "thumbing their nose at him" when they politely disagreed with him (only one commenter actually said anything rude).

It's really unfortunate, because he made many positive contributions to Voat prior to going off the deep end today in a Jekyll and Hide moment.

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[–] novictim 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Damn, are we already sliding down the Reddit slope? That did not take long. What the hell?

We need to reconsider Rule#1 and this proves it.

I, for one, have no trouble being called names. Nor should anyone else.

Come on! We are VOAT! We are thick skinned, tough minded people who can take a shot and dish a shot, aren't we?

Edit: @Typo /u/Typo , can we revisit this rule one now or soon?

If I am called a socialist or a communist or a racist or an jewish kyke or a black radical or a douche bag racist or a idiot keynesian or any number of meany things, aren't those titles for me a part of the argument, part of valid rhetorical posturings?

The label "name calling" can just be part of how people less skilled in rhetoric attempt to reduce the credibility of those they argue against. That seems legitimate to me. Care to comment?

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[–] kevdude 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Check out the top 4. Why aren't the mods letting the users police this with their downvotes? https://voat.co/v/news/modlog/deletedcomments

[–] [deleted] 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

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[–] novictim 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

That is just one of many strategies to exert dominance. Or you can call them a name, a meany one, for the sake of irony.

Irony wins all battles.

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[–] misnamed 9 points 4 points (+13|-9) ago 

he is one of the original whoaversians, came during exodus #1 in spring 2014. prabs part of da "conspiracy faction" migrants from /r/conspiracy

@alllie

old folks from back da in day aint be too happy with the racist invasions recently, exis musta been annoyed already and ready to give up before he blew it

original spirit of whoaverse lost to many originals

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[–] AlphaWookie 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

I have been here as long as you and I don't know what you are boohooing about.

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[–] Kad 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Damn, I've been called far worse and have never once wished they were banned, when somebody calls another names it merely shows the weakness of their arguement.

Personally, if I can get somebody to call me a name because of a rational and sane post of mine; I consider that a victory.

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[–] Diggit 3 points 17 points (+20|-3) ago 

Rule #1 is triggering me. Please ban OP.

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[–] oldskewlcool 1 points 15 points (+16|-1) ago 

Appreciate the detailed outlining of the course of events. This sort of information helps build trust so thank you for taking the time.

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[–] Typo [S] 3 points 3 points (+6|-3) ago 

I appreciate you taking the time to read it all. Enjoy your day!

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[–] kevdude 5 points 25 points (+30|-5) ago  (edited ago)

Seems a bit one sided. Also he made many comments that seemed to indicate that mods shouldn't be challenged or questioned.

http://i.imgur.com/lSgLq2N.pngPNG

http://i.imgur.com/O1wBl1V.pngPNG

http://i.imgur.com/Msm7Pnl.pngPNG

http://i.imgur.com/l6rIjYi.pngPNG

I do not appreciate how protectvoat was portrayed. All of us are v/news subscribers so we have a vested interest in this kind of stuff. When exis posted his sticky, a ton of names I have never seen before popped in to call bullshit.

So let me explain something in direct terms so we can avoid something like this ever happening again:

As a mod of a default sub you are not allowed to ban users for expressing their opinion. Even if it involves name-calling. Spam, direct threats, doxxing, and illegal content are what you have the delete and ban button for.

Atko, the guy who runs the site came in and said that what exis was doing was wrong. http://i.imgur.com/UihkHFa.pngPNG

As it stands now, rule 1 remains and it has always been in effect.

Whatever this means, it is not enforceable by deletions or bans. The users are in charge of this site, not you. The sooner you all realize this, the better.

If how I am speaking to you bothers you in any way, please stop and ask yourself why. Why is it that you feel above reproach? This entire sticky of yours comes off as entitled and condescending, and quite frankly, bullshit. Exis overstepped his bounds as a mod. Then he doubled down on his interpretation of the rules and of his own power. He banned a user. He started a verbal slapfight with the user then banned him when the user pushed back. http://i.imgur.com/A7EqR9A.pngPNG Why should he get any benefit of the doubt?

As for PM'ing or trying to solve the matter "in house", I suggest you take a look at the sidebar on v/protectvoat. We have direct linked to your modlogs, so even if you don't have them up here we have them up over there. If you ban someone or delete comments outside of the permitted reasons we will see it.

There is zero need to gather people for an intervention when there isn't an on going issue. There was a mention that we removed our ban log from the sidebar. It was never there to begin with.

We will not let it get to the point where it becomes an ongoing issue. The first crossing of the censorship line will be met head on, full force.

Just back off. Delete the spam , delete the bad stuff, and let the users police the content. If you don't like that, step down and let someone who understands the difference between reddit and voat moderation take your place. Judging by how your modlog has appeared up until now there are some on your team who get it.

So far she and exisredditus have failed to "control" their users. I suggest the rest of you give up that idea. Thank you for your time.

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[–] Truly 4 points 13 points (+17|-4) ago 

The sticky does seem a bit overly forgiving of exis' mistakes, which I understand since you two modded together.

However, he really did overstep his bounds yesterday, then did nothing but double down on it until Atko said he didn't agree with him, then he ragequit. I am sure /v/news will be fine and I'll continue to come here, but I don't think we should pretend Exis didn't make his own bed here.

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[–] novictim 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

I think you may have missed a spot on the perineum.

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[–] BoiseNTheHood 3 points 12 points (+15|-3) ago  (edited ago)

This post is full of nothing but excuses and apologism. The bottom line is, Exis was power-tripping as a mod and couldn't handle constructive criticism of what he was doing. He made a ridiculous post about it this morning that was solely meant to bait the users of this sub and showcase his hypocrisy and agendas. When I pointed this out, he melted down and called me a racist for no reason. He also banned a bunch of other people in that thread. This sub is better off without a powermod banning people for frivolous reasons.

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[–] daskapitalist 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I remember seeing that comment and wondering if he was using hallucinogens.

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[–] LikeJesusButTaller 1 points 11 points (+12|-1) ago  (edited ago)

This didn't bother me much just because it was so much funnier than Shegate.

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[–] RenagadeGam3r 12 points 0 points (+12|-12) ago 

Shegate had some legitimacy.

This sounds like some salty fucks that were harassing people and trying to start drama got caught, punished and then tried to get the whole site involved.

I'm glad I'm Australian in this case as I was asleep when the drama unfolded.

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[–] Truly 2 points 19 points (+21|-2) ago 

That is actually pretty inaccurate. Exis way overreacted to a guy's joke, accused him of being a shill with handlers, then banned him when he called him cupcake.

It was really a huge over-reaction on his part. The protest pokes were maybe a bit overboard but it was a way of showing how ridiculous he was being and to show solidarity with lag. Had he simply admitted he overreacted and used his banhammer when he should have at the very most warned the guy, everyone would have praised him. We all have bad days, its how you react to your past mistakes that matters most.

My post to him yesterday before all the drama-

Holy shit dude, talk about overreaction... he made a joke about how its a common trope for everything to cause cancer in california, you got all defensive, and then banned for a pretty petty reason.

I hope you wake up tomorrow and realize this was a bad ban.

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[–] weezkitty 1 points 9 points (+10|-1) ago  (edited ago)

For future reference: if you have an issue with a mod, PM them. Give them time to respond. If it is obvious they aren't online, wait for them to come online. If you aren't satifised with the conversation, or are positve you are being ignored, message the other mods and explain the situation. There is also the option of IRC. There is a link that will take you straight there with just one click.

If it was just a minor incident, I am sure that is what most of us would do. But he went overboard and quickly banned a large list of people.

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[–] daskapitalist 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

Also it wasn't that he was offline. He was online and responding to folks in his rant sticky. If he had been offline it would have been (1) user being unhappy for being banned instead of the gasoline of everyone who saw his many "you will respect my authoritah"-esque comments in that sticky.

Unfortunate situation really - if he'd not made that sticky or even stepped away to calm down this could have been solved with "sorry everyone, I had a bad day and overreacted".

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[–] unatco 1 points 8 points (+9|-1) ago 

He should have just sent a PM to the people breaking rule 1. This isn't 4chan where the banhammer is the only solution. I used gay as a slur on the politics board and got a friendly reminder to cut it out rather than a public ban. Most of us aren't heartless racists out to ruin voat. Reasonable users, mods and policies should be the golden rule here. Once that is lost this place is reddit.

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[–] Typo [S] 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

Great idea. This can be tested for a bit to see how it works out. Thanks.

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[–] kevdude 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

This can be tested for a bit to see how it works out

You sound like someone who plans to continue down the road that exis started on today.

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[–] HowieCameUnglued 1 points 8 points (+9|-1) ago 

I've never heard "cupcake" used as an insult before. Is it like "fruitcake"?

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[–] whisky_cat 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Not a total match, but reminds me of this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsJTNDprmwk

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[–] OnePingOnly 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Urban Dictionary: Cupcake

Using it as an insult: "A cupcake is a person who... ...from outward appearance you would assume they are tough, but on the inside they are soft."

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