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[–] CN8300 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

Teachers are overpaid, they are a mob at this point.

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[–] DJ_RP 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I'd have to agree with you. I don't know about in Washington. But in California I know teachers making 90k and work only 180 days out of the year

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[–] pocketForceNapkin 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

What is the cost of living in the area where teachers are making 90k a year? What would you say is an acceptable salary for a teacher?

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[–] CN8300 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Lol, so they're basically making 180k per year. Their guaranteed retirement plans are also out of control.

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[–] MensAgitatMolem 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

In Washington the max a Teacher can make is roughly 82k Base and thats with 16+ Years and a PHD, its roughly 65k with a Masters, and even less with a BA. The average cost of living is roughly 23% higher than the national average. This combine with Washington State failing to fully fund Education in the past years has made it hard for those in the Education Field, so much so the WA State Supreme Court ruled that the State has til 2018 to fully fund education, as per the state constitution requires.

Sources: I Live there, I'm personally know a teacher who's has a masters and is capped at 68k total annual salary, who can only make more if they get a PHD or leave the teaching field and move to administration The Supreme Court Ruling, and WA State Constitution, Article 9

Edit: Changed Court ruling to Archived.is link

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[–] mokti 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

No. No, they're really not.

Especially considering the amount of higher education they must get just to enter, then the continuing education (often out of pocket) that they must get to keep licensure, the long hours that carry over into the night for grading, prep, etc., the committee work and extracurriculars they chaperon and organize.

Trust me, teachers aren't paid enough.

Administrators, though? They could stand a little trimming. If I see one more "Assistant to the Dean of Services" or "Team Engagement Supervisor" get a position made instead of three actual instructors for the equivalent salary (1 admin = 3 teachers), I'm gonna scream.

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[–] Girlwithswords 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Why do you feel that way?

A teacher had to go through 4-6 years of schooling, depending on the state. And they are expected to teach the next group of students coming up in the ranks.

What should a Batchelors degree earn any person in any job at the least? I know I get 30k on just a high school diploma at a crap job. I think a teacher, who I am trusting with my children, should be paid more than that.

Now consider minimum wage is going up to $15 an hour in Seattle, and you can't buy a house or condo in Seattle for less than half a million.

Here is a website that tells you the actual salary of teachers. For Seattle it's between $30-80k, probably depending on tenure and other factors. http://wwwb.thenewstribune.com/databases/school_pay/index.php?names=&schools=&districts=Seattle+Public+Schools&sort=&job_title=Secondary+Teacher

Okay, yes, they get a nice vacation during the summer, but they still have to work, or attend classes, or training for parts of the summer. They don't just go home for three months and do nothing like people seem to think. And for the school year they work a lot more than forty hours a week taking care of other people's kids, being chaperones, tutors, councilors and more.

And let's be completely realistic here... Do we want smart nurses, doctors, and dentists when we get old and need their services a lot more? Or do you want kids that didn't have the benefit of a great teacher growing up and doing a mediocre job for the aging population? Because if you want the first one than we need to pay for good teachers, not take the discount priced sub par teachers just out to get a job.

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[–] CN8300 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Many teachers have pensions that are 100% of their salaries which is jaw dropping. Thats above and beyond what the private sector pays by a long shot. But that doesnt matter because its tax payers money.

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[–] whisky_cat [S] 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

I wonder how Seattle's schools are performing. If performance is great, than I'd expect a reward for great performance. I don't have any of the data, but it could help validate the demands of the union. Personally I think teachers are important and if you take Seattle's rising cost of living into consideration they have a case.

I get the sense there's some jealousy occurring here, where some people are envious that teachers can negotiate to this level attention. There are a lot of young people stuck in college debt without jobs, so it seems easy to make a target of those who are pushing their careers upward so publicly.

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[–] ForgotMyName 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I do agree that they're a mob. Why do we allow government employees to unionize? They aren't the victims of some evil corporation trying to squeeze them for profit. Also, why aren't teachers' wages nationally set based on cost of living for the school district they are teaching in?

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[–] whisky_cat [S] 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

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[–] Typo 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Thanks a lot :)

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[–] Poco 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

If teaching is such a crappy job that they regularly need to go on strike to get more money, then why are there still so many people trying to become teachers?

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[–] mokti 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Maybe because there is a need for teachers? Maybe because the job itself is (or was once) seen as a regular, valuable career with little in the way of market fluctuation and layoffs? Maybe because they were inspired by a teacher of theirs and want to make a difference?

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[–] whisky_cat [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

53,000 public school students not in school for the first day. The teachers union of 5,000 members is negotiating for a $172 million deal, the district is offering $62 million. The strike itself is considered illegal under state law.

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[–] scrotums 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

The strike itself is considered illegal under state law.

Source? It doesn't mention that in the article.

Also, they're striking for several reasons other than pay.

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[–] whisky_cat [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Here's an interesting comment on it

"It's not that there's a statute that says ‘it is illegal to strike,' it's that there is an absence of a statutory right to go on strike," he said. "Public employees are subject to all kinds of laws that condition their employment and this is one of them."

I'll leave Voat to do their own research. I don't actually have an opinion on the matter, just sharing what is front page news in Seattle.

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[–] whisky_cat [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Source?

It's been all over the news in the Pacific Northwest...

http://mynorthwest.com/11/2804773/Rob-McKenna-Yes-it-is-illegal-for-Seattle-teachers-to-go-on-strike

Also, they're striking for several reasons other than pay.

Correct, although I commented about pay considering the gap in the negotiation is over $100 million dollars. So it's important to consider that when a teacher says "It's not about the money". Here's a more complete list.

• increase teacher pay

• guarantee student recess

• improve teacher evaluations

• de-emphasize student testing

• address disproportionate discipline

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[–] Typo [M] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

For articles that only allow a certain amount of views per week/month, please include an archive.is link in the comments. Thanks.

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[–] whisky_cat [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Ok