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[–] hypercat 3 points 42 points (+45|-3) ago 

Spoons totally made me fat. Same argument.

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[–] l_l_l 2 points 31 points (+33|-2) ago  (edited ago)

Not quite. I think it's more accurate to say "McDonald's made me fat" as a corollary.

In either case, it's not really true. A gun is not capable of forcing you to kill any more than McDonald's is forcing you to eat there every day. However, both guns and McDonald's are about efficiency. Guns are designed to be extremely lethal with extreme low effort, just as McDonald's is made to deliver an absurd amount of harmful calories that goes down really easily and cheaply.

Removing either one would make harmful things less efficient. This much is undeniable. The only question is whether the harm reduced would be worth the cost to liberties.

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[–] TynanSylvester 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago  (edited ago)

A balanced argument on the Internet. Shocking! And well said.

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[–] hypercat 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I just had McDicks today after 12 days of running around in the desert burning a ridiculous amount of calories. I lost 5 pounds. That burger was fucking delicious. Maybe we should invest in moderation classes. Or don't be a dumb fuck classes? I have never shot a person, nor have I ever gotten fat. Because I have a mild amount of common sense. Shit, I'm drunk. I have honestly forgotten the previous comment but I think were agree. :)

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[–] Balrogic 3 points -2 points (+1|-3) ago  (edited ago)

Nope. Spoons. Without spoons they wouldn't have been able to shovel all that icecream into their mouth. Without guns, those crazies wouldn't be able to shovel as many bullets into their victims. Food is the bullet, the spoon is the gun. Blaming McDonald's is like blaming an ammunition salesman. It is not like blaming the gun. Stay consistent with the premise if you're going to correct people.

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[–] helmetbox 3 points 3 points (+6|-3) ago 

A gun can kill people instantly. Can a spoon make people fat instantly and permanently? Further, that spoon affects people other than oneself?

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[–] LordIntrepid 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

If I jam the spoon through your eye socket, I can deal lethal brain damage instantly, all wile scooping out an eye ball.

A pick axe to the head is faster than using your fists. Ban pick axes. Ban "X" object, for it can be used to kill more easily than random sticks/clubs on the ground.

But, lets ban guns, so that the only people who can get and use them are criminals.

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[–] hypercat 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

effects. Also, fat people are a burden on the health care system and society. I can kill someone with a bic pen, can we ban those too? What about belts? If belts were banned would we have less suicide?

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[–] SirRender 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Fat people on planes affect me.

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[–] Moderately_soluble 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

And in either case, if the tool is banned, they will just use their hands. You can't take away things to change behavior.

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[–] Vheissu_ 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Not really. If we apply Trump's reasonably sound logic to your argument, we could just say: if fat people can't get access to spoons to eat food, they'll just find another way to eat food without a spoon because they have an eating disorder (a recognised mental illness in itself). The problem is not guns, it is the fact that the controls in place are failing and if you trace things further back, it highlights the US health system is broken (but we already knew that).

Say we are able to better spot the signs of mental illness, what then? The for-profit healthcare system in the US will just expect the person who is sick to pay for their own treatment (or the family) through expensive appointments and pharmaceutical drugs. But what happens if the patient or the family can't pay? They go untreated and the problem remains. Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

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[–] hypercat 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I think we are arguing for the same thing? Free health care and less gun control? I'm not sure. I have been in the desert for 12 days so I am not sure what I wrote previously.