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[–] BaronVonMonologue 3 points 272 points (+275|-3) ago 

Shit. I actually agree with Trump on something.

Shit.

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[–] phly95 2 points 65 points (+67|-2) ago 

Not surprising, though his hate towards Edward Snowden and his immigration policy are the two things that bother me, he does have plenty of good ideas.

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[–] PIcasso54 0 points 44 points (+44|-0) ago 

What about his immigration policy bothers you? I'd like to discuss it.

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[–] voat-simulator 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

It's like a nickel in a shit heap.

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[–] DILLIGAF 0 points 21 points (+21|-0) ago 

I know, right? It's beginning to look like a Trump V Sanders race in 2016. Or maybe Biden since Hillary has all but destroyed any credibility she had left.

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[–] Knytrix 3 points 24 points (+27|-3) ago 

I'm pretty sure the game is rigged.

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[–] TrivialGravitas 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

No we aren't. Hillary only needs something like 30% of the vote in order to get the nomination because the democratic primary is meant to be a farce in which sitting democratic politicians have the power. Obama only managed to beat her by being THAT overwhelmingly popular with the voters.

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[–] ZdaytonaRoadster 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

No its a Hilary vs Bush election, its already been decided by the people who run things...oyyy veyy

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[–] holocauster-ride 2 points 6 points (+8|-2) ago 

He suggests some absurd things that are impossible (like deporting 11,000,000 people - a project bigger than what Nazi Germany did), but he frequently says things which make sense, and he isn't afraid to challenge the status quo.

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[–] darthtater 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago 

you know, even a broken clock is right twice a day

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[–] TopShelfPrivilege 6 points 68 points (+74|-6) ago 

Trump being the voice of reason on an issue? Somebody fucked up somewhere.

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[–] Partoghimeos 1 points 42 points (+43|-1) ago 

A lot of what Trump says, though it's mostly inconsistent, makes sense. He's just an ass about it.

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[–] Jesus_H_Hitler 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago  (edited ago)

That's interesting, I feel the exact opposite. I don't think a lot of what he says makes any sense in any practical way. Maybe ideologically but it wouldn't work in the real world (i.e his great wall of mexico).

I think the fact he's an ass is his appeal. All the other politicians are so afraid of being an ass and trying to manufacture this fake image that will appeal to the greatest amount of people possible but Trump is like "Nah fuck that...this is how I am and this is how it is."

Even if you think he's wrong you have to appreciate his balls. He's a breath of fresh air.

EDIT: Forgot to add except for maybe this article. He does seem to make sense in the case IMO.

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[–] nigganaut 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I actually like him for being an ass.

It's regressing to hear someone not backpeadal and pander to the lowest common denominator.

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[–] JunOS 17 points 7 points (+24|-17) ago  (edited ago)

Blind squirrel occasionally finds a nut.

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[–] WhoToldYouThat 1 points 43 points (+44|-1) ago 

Deez Nutz?

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[–] xebes 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Squirrels find nuts by smell though.

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[–] Pokerguy 2 points 54 points (+56|-2) ago 

Sounds right to me. The problem isn't the inanimate object, the problem is the nutcase wielding it that wants to use it to kill innocent people.

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[–] hypercat 3 points 42 points (+45|-3) ago 

Spoons totally made me fat. Same argument.

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[–] l_l_l 2 points 31 points (+33|-2) ago  (edited ago)

Not quite. I think it's more accurate to say "McDonald's made me fat" as a corollary.

In either case, it's not really true. A gun is not capable of forcing you to kill any more than McDonald's is forcing you to eat there every day. However, both guns and McDonald's are about efficiency. Guns are designed to be extremely lethal with extreme low effort, just as McDonald's is made to deliver an absurd amount of harmful calories that goes down really easily and cheaply.

Removing either one would make harmful things less efficient. This much is undeniable. The only question is whether the harm reduced would be worth the cost to liberties.

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[–] helmetbox 3 points 3 points (+6|-3) ago 

A gun can kill people instantly. Can a spoon make people fat instantly and permanently? Further, that spoon affects people other than oneself?

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[–] Moderately_soluble 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

And in either case, if the tool is banned, they will just use their hands. You can't take away things to change behavior.

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[–] Vheissu_ 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Not really. If we apply Trump's reasonably sound logic to your argument, we could just say: if fat people can't get access to spoons to eat food, they'll just find another way to eat food without a spoon because they have an eating disorder (a recognised mental illness in itself). The problem is not guns, it is the fact that the controls in place are failing and if you trace things further back, it highlights the US health system is broken (but we already knew that).

Say we are able to better spot the signs of mental illness, what then? The for-profit healthcare system in the US will just expect the person who is sick to pay for their own treatment (or the family) through expensive appointments and pharmaceutical drugs. But what happens if the patient or the family can't pay? They go untreated and the problem remains. Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

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[–] pequenopete 0 points 33 points (+33|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I'm yes and no with this and again it comes down to Liberty. You've got to tread carefully, you certainly don't want the government keeping an eye on your mental well being and deciding when you step over the line into mental illness. Unfortunately I think there's a point when this becomes a bit 'Minority Report' most people with severe mental illness don't kill people remember after all.

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[–] Echo_of_Savages 0 points 33 points (+33|-0) ago 

Well look at how we treat mental illness currently. We give kids drugs man. Fucking amphetamines. Then when they grow up, we give them even more drugs. Zoloft. SSRIs. MAO inhibitors. Fucking cocktails of chemicals. We are putting a bandaid on a broken bone.

I have a hypothesis that modern america is driving people crazy. This internet thing and social media, the idea that the only value we have as a human being is 10 bucks an hour, the idea that we have to sell our lives to debt, to student loan debt, to credit card debt, to "credit" in order to live. It's "keeping up with the joneses" on steroids. It's American individualism to the point where we have lost all sense of community. It's christianity shaming our sexual urges. It's the underlying tide of racism. It's isolation. It's living in the world's richest country with Skid Row around the block. It's cognitive dissonance. It's living in the land of the free but I can't smoke a joint. It's our food. It's shitty parents who fuck up their kids. It's third-wave feminism telling girls that they are weak. It's the lack of masculinity. It's entitlement. It's political correctness. It's men who lash out against society. It's what Ted Kaczynski warned us about. /rant

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[–] Endfall 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I agree with this comment completely. The answer that I found was to simply view life as a black comedy that I play a part in. One day, I'm probably going to be shot to death by the latest lone gunman, or a cop, or a racist, and you know what? If my body is still capable of it, I'm going to go out with a fucking smile. Because when you smile, the world laughs at you, but when you cry, you suffer alone.

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It means nothing, of course. We're all dead already, anyway.

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[–] pequenopete 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I have a hypothesis that modern america is driving people crazy... It's American individualism to the point where we have lost all sense of community.

I think you might be on to something here. Definitely in most of these cases the gunmen feel a profound sense of isolation from the world. To the extent that they feel themselves completely separate from the 'other' everyday people they choose to turn their wrath towards. I also believe that as well as isolation in all these case they feel a strong sense of impotence. They find themselves in a system they perceive as corrupt and where they essentially have no control. So they feel disenfranchised of all power to change their lives or the system itself. It's after a long time at this point that they decide the one way to assert their dominance is to wreck havoc on their environment and their perceived enemies in violent expression. It gives them one burst of total control in opposition to the years of powerlessness they have felt.

Ted Kaczynski now there's an classic example of Heller's quote, "Just because your paranoid don't mean there not after you.". He had been a victim of the government, he knew exactly what they were like, how they would destroy peoples lives, peoples sanity for whatever they decided was the greater good. Chew them up and spit them out. I'm not trying to condone his actions but he was very much a product of his environment.

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[–] ABACABB 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I'm on board with your rant. Your mention of Kaczynski made me want to brush up on his points so I read the the Wikipedia on it and holy shit.

"Those who are most sensitive about "politically incorrect" terminology are not the average black ghetto-dweller, Asian immigrant, abused woman or disabled person, but a minority of activists, many of whom do not even belong to any "oppressed" group but come from privileged strata of society."

He fucking called SJW's like 20 years ago...

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[–] brandon 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Congrats! It's heartbreaking to see people who can't get treatment. I've got medical insurance, but the quality of care seems to suck. Every visit with my pdoc is either medication change, or dose adjustment. Never just sits down and asks how I'm doing or anything like that. I ended up quitting all medications given to me since the side effects just suck, anti-psychotics are basically poison that can have positive effects (in my opinion) on some people.

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[–] tpdplsio 2 points 10 points (+12|-2) ago 

For presidents, people put way too much stock in what a president can accomplish alone. They can have great ideas and a solid plan, but ultimately it's up to Congress to fund it.

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[–] Le_Squish 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I dunno, allow mentally ill people to get help when they want it. One of my friends tried to kill himself on 3 seperate occasions last year but for some reason they won't let him voluntarily commit himself for long term care. His insurance don't cover it. Each time they send him home without fixing his meds or fast tracking him for counseling even though he wants yhosd things. American mental healthcare is a nightmare

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[–] roman359 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Trump is correct. Taking away an American's ability to defend themselves will 1) lead to an oppressive government and 2) increase crime rates.

I understand he's quite the controversial character, but damn - he is by and far my favorite politician.

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[–] EbolaPie 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Just playing devil's advocate here, but why, then, doesn't the UK have an oppressiv-

Wait, shit.

Okay, why doesn't, uh... France have an oppressive government?

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[–] roman359 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

Give the Jews time. They're working on it.

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[–] 99spider 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Well, France does allow people to possess semi automatic firearms including handguns.

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[–] virulency 1 points 10 points (+11|-1) ago 

So you're going to actually fund public health services?!

oh wait socialisms or something... or send them to private prisons?

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[–] eyeballfrog 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Perhaps Trump will be the one to get social programs through, in a "Nixon goes to China" sort of way.

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[–] lissencarak 5 points -3 points (+2|-5) ago 

Private mental prisons, good idea. no /s

Libertarians would approve.

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