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[–] novictim 1 points 143 points (+144|-1) ago 

“unnecessarily burdensome” = No Transparency in election results?

This is not going to fly. Those records must be opened to scrutiny or the entirety of the democratic process is in question.

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[–] lagger 0 points 110 points (+110|-0) ago 

The fact that he doesn't want us to see them makes me want to see them more.

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[–] Balrogic 0 points 95 points (+95|-0) ago 

The fact he doesn't want us to see them makes me conclude the election was rigged and that we need to convict him for his part in the plot.

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[–] novictim 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago  (edited ago)

It has been swept away but we are in a populist mood as a country now. That changes things. (I hope).

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[–] England1 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

Yeap, thank god you know how governments work!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4aKOhbbK9E

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[–] flyawayhigh 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

The question everyone is asking is ... will the Supreme Court intervene in the election? :D

(to stop the vote count ... again ... )

Or will we finally find out that many elections have been illegitimate all over the United States since 2002?

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[–] England1 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Dude, it's already in question for like 20 years!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4aKOhbbK9E

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[–] novictim 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Great point. This time is different, hence, Trump.

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[–] Lighting 1 points 92 points (+93|-1) ago 

The entire purpose of keeping the tapes is to verify the legitimacy of election activities. Denying access to that pubic record violates the public trust. Recall or Impeachment.

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[–] peacegnome 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Recall or Impeachment.

Or execute, this shit has gone on for way too long.

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[–] i_am_not_crazy 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Politicians would be far less likely to try anything silly knowing their heads are literally on the line.

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[–] S2Foxhunt 1 points 48 points (+49|-1) ago 

In other words: "If we release them you will see how corrupt we are so we can't." Or am I too pessimistic?

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[–] rhava 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

dont be afraid, do something. get active check this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXsf3ICgy50

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[–] selpai 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Not in the least.

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[–] England1 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Or perhaps your just realistic? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4aKOhbbK9E

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[–] Grunge 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

remember when people were saying "Kansas deserves what they get electing Brownback twice" perhaps they don't deserve it....

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[–] Itshay_Ordlay 0 points 42 points (+42|-0) ago 

The only logical explanation for their resistance is that they know discrepancies will be found. There's no mystery here. Just another example of the corruption endemic to our political system.

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[–] usul 9 points 6 points (+15|-9) ago 

Please, there's no such thing as voter fraud. It doesn't exist. Never happens. At least that's what cultured elites tell me.

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[–] metavurt 5 points 21 points (+26|-5) ago 

I think you're confusing "system fraud" with "voter fraud". Using the term "elites" causes me to question your objectivity, as well.

To wit here are some findings: 7 papers, 4 government inquiries, 2 news investigations and 1 court ruling proving voter fraud is mostly a myth

Voter Fraud Is Rare, but Myth Is Widespread

2012 Voter Fraud

You should change "cultured elites" to "Conservative Republicans" and call it what it is: political play.

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[–] cynoclast 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

There is election fraud, but negligible voter fraud.

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[–] Devildetails 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Not voter fraud systemic corription that is used to steal elections. This is one of the people "fighting" voter fraud.

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[–] England1 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

Lol, it's not just your political system dude, is like a world wide fucking plague!

England and Europe are just the same....

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[–] weezkitty 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Obviously if they showed there was no manipulation, they would just release them to clear themselves. It would be hard for them to act any more guilty

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[–] sec 0 points 34 points (+34|-0) ago 

Speaking from the IT sector...

If you go to vote and you're using software that is not open-source; you are better off not voting.

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[–] DarkLinkXXXX 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago  (edited ago)

To be fair, OpenSSL was written by monkeys.

I couldn't find the article I wanted, but basically, because the code was so horrible in the first place, no one really wanted to look at it. It's big, it's bloated, it has a horrible API, and there's over 300,000 lines of code in there, and it had basically no paid developers until recently. The worst part is, similar things can be said about GnuTLS and NSS (two alternatives) as well. We can only hope that LibreSSL will bring an end to this madness.

P.S.I found what I was looking for.

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[–] stradian 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Open Source doesn't guarantee anything on something that needs to be established. They can show you the "source", but they will not show you what was actually compiled.

Making a service open source for verification is moot for this reason: Open source benefits single entities, but not entities between entities. For example, Voat gives a service, and a source, but you can't verify that the service that voat gives is actually from the source that is provided.

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[–] bildramer 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Estonia tries it (second half of the video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY_pHvhE4os

Of course you could use a modified OS, compilers, etc. and show that on video instead, but that's extra roadblocks and points of failure to an attacker.

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[–] Superking 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

This should surprise no one that has been following politics for the past decade. Kris Kobach is a shameless, duplicitous sack of shit. His political career is littered with shady legal maneuverings to attempt to flout the will of the electorate.

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[–] organicgangbang 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Come on, you guys dont want to waste your time on all those burdensome details.

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[–] mcseanerson 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

It would be nice if when you voted in a major election like this you were forced to vote at three different stations, one managed by democrats, one by republicans, and the last an independent party and no communications allowed between the three of them so if there are discrepancies in the numbers we'd know trickery was being done.

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[–] bilog78 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago 

It would be nice if when you voted in a major election like this you were forced to vote at three different stations, one managed by democrats, one by republicans, and the last an independent party and no communications allowed between the three of them so if there are discrepancies in the numbers we'd know trickery was being done.

There is no need for this kind of cumbersome gimmick. There are pretty secure methods for electronic and online voting which preserve secrecy without losing trackability and accountability. Here is a Google Tech Talk on the topic of cryptographically verifiable elections, from eight years ago.

The point isn't that it can't be done. It's that they don't want to do it.

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[–] Upvoats_McGoats 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

The point isn't that it can't be done. It's that they don't want to do it.

Remind me again, who from each state determines what voting method the state uses, who gets the contract and what the final decision is? Is it the voters themselves coming from different parties or is it the Secretary of State, a partisan, elected official protecting their party?

Loaded question fallacy, I know. Just like everything else in the US, corruption reigns because the system is fundamentally flawed.

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[–] mamwad 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

The biggest problem with "cryptographically verifiable" electronic ballots is that it is only transparent to those individuals with the technical capacity to understand how it works. Elections need to be transparent to every concerned citizen, so that all voters could--if they so choose--audit the system for themselves. Tried and true mechanical systems are by far the best option.

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