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[–] zambeezy 4 points 10 points (+14|-4) ago 

But then you have ridiculous cases that are being paid for by the taxpayer. I can't and won't support that. If you win, your fees should be paid for by the other party. If you lose, you pay them. That keeps frivolous lawsuits at a minimum and still protects those unable to pay while allowing them to see justice served. Win-win-win

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[–] Ulluses 2 points 24 points (+26|-2) ago 

That's what it's like in the UK. sucks when someone gets off on a charge when they shouldn't but most cases go on longer so that the defence can get their evidence sorted properly. In the US it's all plea bargains and 2 day cases, it's just a machine to put people in jail for the maximum amount of time with the minimum of effort.

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[–] NateThomas1979 1 points 11 points (+12|-1) ago 

Which is perfectly reasonable in civil cases. In criminal cases, the amount I pay in taxes is to help support a safe environment.

The idea that a judge cannot use discretion in fining is ridiculous. Every crime has different factors. Should a person who steals to feed himself be punished the same as a person who steals for pleasure?

I would suggest that they leave the discretion up to the judges and increase the maximum penalty to make up the difference of the people who are poor and can't pay regardless.

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[–] PardiGras 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Frivolous lawsuits are not even a fraction of the problem that you've been led to believe they are by rich corporate lawyers and marketing teams

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[–] YourDickGotTheHIV 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

You're talking about civil court, not criminal court.

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[–] Fuckery 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Court*

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[–] ShinyVoater 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

At least in the US, it's only unconstitutional if you're poor and can't pay(without any clear definition). But from the looks of it, UK judges have exactly zero discretion in charging these fees, unlike their US counterparts, which is definitely something that can't be tolerated.

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[–] osdessa 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

The concept of law itself is polluted by pseudo-intellectual bullshit. The law codes are aggressively bad on purpose, just like the tax code. It lends itself to an elitist mentality where now, even intelligence isn't enough to defend yourself. You have to specialize in all this archaic bullshit.

We're no longer concerned with justice. We're only concerned with semantics because we live in the age of legalism where the point really doesn't matter. It's all about appeasing the offended, the professional victims, the politically correct. This is their playground. They live and die by semantics while completely ignoring the spirit of the law. That's why that criminal Hillary Clinton has no problems dancing around her illegal activity. She's playing the favorite liberal feminist game: find the loophole.

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[–] Catcat 2 points 17 points (+19|-2) ago 

Poverty has always been a crime.

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[–] HopeStillFlies 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Yup. Vagrancy.

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[–] gramman74 8 points -3 points (+5|-8) ago 

I hate to say this but poverty is not a crime. The lifestyle that poverty creates is the crime

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[–] Kabuthunk 1 points 8 points (+9|-1) ago 

And we live in an economy almost explicitly designed to create poverty. Wonderful rut it's in, isn't it?

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[–] rakisak 2 points 14 points (+16|-2) ago 

or they get fines they can't pay and get a pay or stay

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[–] Gracchi 2 points 7 points (+9|-2) ago 

Or they get a dozen charges thrown at them and are given the choice of either risking years of their life of a jury and accepting a plea down to a small punishment cor a crime they didn't commit

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[–] edistojim 1 points 13 points (+14|-1) ago 

Want to watch someone poor get railroaded? Take a plea bargain .

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[–] newoldwave 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

In order to trim down the court's case load, they tend to go for the plea deal, like pleading guilty to a lessor crime or take a chance of being convicted of a major crime and long prison time. The poor do get a lawyer appointed for them, albeit not a good one. Even people who can afford a good lawyer are faced with the same choice even if innocent. Basically our court system fails to be just.

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[–] Teeder 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

Trying not to sound like it's a conspiracy against the poor, but it's always been a conspiracy against the poor. Here in Canada you have a lawyer who will be there for bail hearings or pleas, but you need an actual lawyer to go to trial. The lawyer who is there for the former isn't doing you any favors other than standing before the judge and telling him/her what you told him/her. They don't do anything else. If you have no money your only hope is legal aid, but they have the weirdest rules for application that two identical people could have different results. Most will still take the first plea that doesn't involve jail time, or, if the crime is serious enough, the least jail time. Contrast that with someone who can easily afford a good lawyer, and you can see just how often the poor are found guilty vs the rich.

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[–] PM_ME_EXPERIMENTS 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

That's their game, charge you with crazy claims knowing you cannot afford to defend yourself properly so that you plead down and full their quota.

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[–] gramman74 2 points 3 points (+5|-2) ago 

It would be so nice if this was true. Till policing are neighborhoods stops being a revenue stream for local municipalities this will never end! Simple as that

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[–] zambeezy 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

Any funds received through police action, such as fines from traffic tickets, should go straight to the state's education fund.

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[–] gramman74 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

I agree!! not to buy special toys for the police department. They should not benefit a bit for their policing actions. They took the job to protect and serve

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