Archived Flibanserin, 'female Viagra,' distracts from real causes of low libido: critics (cbc.ca)
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Archived Flibanserin, 'female Viagra,' distracts from real causes of low libido: critics (cbc.ca)
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[–] ThisIsntMe123 3 points 32 points 35 points (+35|-3) ago
So, Viagra is for the man's problem, and low female libido is the man's problem too? Couldn't it be her problem if she can't keep the guy's libido up, and therefore keep everything else "up"? Maybe she picked the wrong guy if what he does doesn't work for her libido... Couldn't that be said to be her problem? I mean, couldn't she say "Hey, you know when you just sit on the couch, then try to jump right in to my vagina? That doesn't help me get 'in the mood'." Are guys supposed to be psychic and know right away what puts her in the mood? Every woman (and man) is unique, if I just say "Bitches love smiley faces" I'm yelled at for assuming that women are all the same (on top of saying "bitches"). What turns one woman on, might not turn another on.
[–] PandoraTheFirst 6 points 2 points 8 points (+8|-6) ago
I'm sorry, I don't see this article just blaming men for everything. I see it pointing out a number of issues including stress, children, fatigue AND relationship issues. And since a relationship involves more than one person, the "blame" for that does not necessarily belong solely to the man.
Besides that, yes, I agree. Nobody's psychic. It would be nice if women always felt free to just say what they really want from their partner. But, you we're not raised that way, right? We're raised to pretend we never even think about sex, until we do actually have sex, and then we're expected to suddenly act like porn stars in bed, because that's what guys think is real. (Guys with not much life experience, anyway. Which is most of them when you're both 20 or whatever.) And, as women, if our sex life doesn't actually make us happy, we're afraid to say anything because society says if the guy is happy, we should also be happy, so this means there's something wrong with us, oh no! So, yeah, some women are going to be a bit messed up about sex and not understand why they're not always into it like they're "supposed" to be. And yes, they're often afraid to talk about it.
This pill will not help very many women. It's just an antidepressant. It might help if the person taking it also happens to be clinically depressed, and low libido is a symptom of the depression.
[–] zambeezy 2 points 8 points 10 points (+10|-2) ago
Same thing goes for guys. We're expected to have 8 foot cocks that fill every last nook and cranny and not even think about cumming until the girl has already had 1500 orgasms and only then may we cum.
Nobody says this.
Their problem, not anyone else's
How all-knowing of you!
You're saying you don't see the article as blaming men for everything and in the same comment you're basically saying that men are the cause because we have unrealistic expectations and "society" is telling you to shut the fuck up. Neither of those things is true. The mental gymnastics you're doing must be absolutely exhausting. Keep spinning that hamster wheel
[–] black2nd 1 point 0 points 1 point (+1|-1) ago
What about when the thing that used to turn her doesn't do it anymore?
What about when she says it's not you, and that it's a hormonal/physical problem?
What about when you try to reignite her spark by doing all the things she says will work, but they don't?
What about when she gets pissed at you for doing those things because, "You're just doing them so you'll get laid"?
What about the fact that you've lost weight and she's gained weight, and you still find her attractive and desirable, but she doesn't believe you?
IS THERE A FUCKING PILL FOR THAT???
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[–] Surfing_Wookiee 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
This drug, was originally used as an antidepressant, and is nothing like Viagra. It has serious side effects and only mild benefits. If I was a doctor, I'd be very cautious in prescribing this to anyone.
[–] 96threpublic ago
Something new? You mean like a roofie or ex?
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[–] zambeezy 0 points 8 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago
Or the women could learn how to deal with criticism and not clam up as soon as somebody says something they don't completely love?
[–] 2025251? 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Thank you - I was going to say the same thing!
[–] Caerlocc 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Yeah the title is pretty terrible
[–] LOLThatsJustRetarded 1 point 7 points 8 points (+8|-1) ago
Oh look, feminist BS from the CBC. There's a shocker.
[–] PiercingAjarDolphin 0 points 7 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago (edited ago)
Sex is just another form of communication. Sometimes that falters in a relationship and no amount of talking or counselling can get you to feel that arousal again, because you're just out of practice. In such situations, this pill can be a good tool to use in order to get things jump started so to speak. I don't think it'd be wise to use it as anything but that, because as with all other medications, it would probably have some effects on the very thing it treats after a while.
Sometimes, talk is cheap and you need to actually do something instead of just talking about it.
Edit: Also, I also found that voat has it's own v/deadbedrooms sub, I recommend everyone to post about their experiences there if they can.
[–] psychoch0mp 0 points 6 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago
My uncle was on viagra because he couldn't maintain an erection. Like magic after he divorced and got with someone else problem went away. So yes I see what ReedOwl means as viagra doesn't increase sexual desire but it did allow him to have sex with his wife. Sexual desire is an issue that effects men and women. Did these critics comment that male Viagra distracts from the causes of low male libido?
[–] Uptonogood 0 points 5 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago
Maybe the problem is that they're just not attracted to their partner in the first place.
Perhaps instead she should have chosen someone who she actually wants to spend time with. Or just stayed alone.
[–] mscomies 0 points 4 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago
If it fixes the problem, what does it matter?
[–] smokratez 3 points 7 points 10 points (+10|-3) ago
It's a band aid. It doesn't stop people from getting the problem. It's a money sink instead of addressing the reason.
[–] dregan 1 point 10 points 11 points (+11|-1) ago (edited ago)
You just described 60% of all drugs though. Addressing the real reason is hard and few people want to do that.
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[–] LOLThatsJustRetarded 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
You don't really know this. There could be no underlying problem beyond hormonal shifts or a reactive sex drive, in which case it isn't a 'band aid' at all. There could be no real problem to address, and if there is a real problem to address, one would assume that the doctor involved would be the one to address it, not feminist critics from the CBC.
[–] DashingLeech 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
I'm not sure why people use band-aids as examples of things that don't solve problems. Band-aids are actually functionally quite useful. Ironically, they work by dealing with immediate problems (open wounds) so that process of healing can more easily take place.
Even in the context of somehow "masking" a problem, that still doesn't justify the criticisms here for several reasons:
There can be more than one cause of a problem. If some are relationship-based it doesn't mean that all are. Some can be physical and hormonal issues, for example.
Pharmaceutical solutions to not preclude one from addressing relationships separately, which can then lead to weaning off of the pharmaceuticals.
Permanent use of pharmaceuticals can be a workable or even preferable solution.
As an example, my wife has acid reflux and takes Esomeprazole daily, for decades now. It also doesn't solve the root problem but that's irrelevant; it allows her to function without pain and suffering. The alternative is the possibility of some surgery that doctors are not sure would fix it, that comes with long recovery, comes with risks (including making things worse), and is very expensive itself. Even doctors say that it's a reasonable medical choice to take the pharmaceuticals daily for the rest of her life. Some say it is medically preferred and advised at this point.
[–] dtuck 3 points 5 points 8 points (+8|-3) ago
It doesnt fix the problem, it removes a symptom of said problem. In the same way some get medicated for depression without doing therapy that could resolve the issue.
It will come to a point where the underlying problem would get worse and cause more symptoms.
[–] LOLThatsJustRetarded 0 points 4 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago
Maybe, or maybe there will never come any such point, and it's irrelevant anyhow as a doctor is not just going to prescribe a pill with no follow up. So either they will get the symptom treated and then the problem itself, or there is no treatment for the problem at all and treating the symptom is the only option available.
Either way, just another feminist looking for a nonsense reason to whine about how horribly women have it, when they don't have it bad at all.
[–] toxic9813 1 point 1 point 2 points (+2|-1) ago
Name one situation that isn't made better with sex! :D