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[–] snurfle 2 points 258 points (+260|-2) ago 

FTA:

“Natalie should understand that the Holocaust which befell us cannot be compared to other tragedies – our empathy notwithstanding. It was not merely hatred, it was a policy whose aim was to systematically wipe out a whole people from the face of the world,”

From Wikipedia:

Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious or national group.

So which is it?

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[–] vanities 3 points 132 points (+135|-3) ago 

Do people not understand the words that they're writing about when writing articles?

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[–] toyhammer98 1 points 46 points (+47|-1) ago 

Pretty much, yeah.

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[–] farq 2 points 33 points (+35|-2) ago 

It's a quote. You want to author / journalist to change the quote because it's stupid?

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[–] craschnet 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Yep. It's all about the click-a-bait journalistic world.

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[–] akuta 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

No... No they don't. They then rewrite the definitions and say, "It means this now, not that, so fuck you."

Words have definitions for a reason. People need to stop ignoring that.

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[–] Moonbat 0 points 59 points (+59|-0) ago 

This one's from the American Heritage dictionary:

The deliberate destruction of an entire race or nation. The Holocaust conducted by the Nazis in Germany and the Rwandan genocide are examples of attempts at genocide.

Interesting because it references both genocides in question.

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[–] Slapyousilly 2 points 8 points (+10|-2) ago 

Soooo, neither of them were genocides? Merely attempts at genocide? I may use this... probably not.

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[–] eldorann 3 points 1 points (+4|-3) ago 

City-slicker, git yur azz off me form befurr Iz getz muh shttguhn.

The nerve of some people, to bring up pre-existing standards that validate a contentous post!

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[–] xeemee 12 points 5 points (+17|-12) ago 

if memory serves, i believe it was something like 90 tons of German war-time documents that were captured by the allies during and after WW2

in not a single document is there any evidence that there was a policy to exterminate the Jews - the policy was one of extradition, not extermination, and all of the credible evidence points to this

as a matter of fact, thousands of 1/2 Jewish or less people served in Hitlers' army, some attaining very high ranks, and the in the capital city of Berlin, the Jews had a functioning synagogue until it was bombed by the allies

there are a plethora of points from which to attack the official story that 6 million Jews were murdered, but one of the most obvious is the alleged homicidal gas chambers themselves

take for instance the alleged homicidal gas chamber at the main Auschwitz camp which is a prominent stop for all tourists which visit it

first, you have to understand that hydrogen cyanide is a highly flammable gas that is extremely dangerous to handle - any enclosure which is used to contain this gas MUST provide the following features:

  • it must be hermetically sealed to avoid poisoning those outside of it
  • it must have explosion-proof electrical fixtures
  • there must be a method for which to safely introduce the gas without risk of exposing others nearby
  • there should absolutely be a circulation system in place to distribute the gas inside the enclosure, else it could take hours to kill the victims, especially if they were "packed in like sardines" as we are let to believe
  • there must be a method whereby the gas can be exhausted without exposing nearby personal

now look at these photographs and ask yourself if this "gas chamber" meets these qualifications...

gas chamber door at Auschwitz main camp - can a thin wooden door (with a window no less) really stand up against thousands of people beating against it who are dying a slow, excruciating death? and how does one open this door after the victims collapsed since it opens inward? surely bodies would have collapsed against the door

crematory chimney not attached to the building is a post-war construction

"gas chamber" lacks any blue staining that would be present as a result of repeated exposure to hydrogen cyanide gas - this blue staining is so permanent that it is visible over 70 years later on the exterior walls of gas chambers which nobody argues were used for disinfection purposes (cloths, bedding, etc.)

plumbing fixtures for toilets - in a gas chamber?

the roof vents where the zyklon-B pellets were dropped - these were hastily constructed post-war and are not present in any war-time aerial photographs

one fact many tend to forget is that it was alleged that exterminations were taking place at all (or nearly all) of the prison, work and relocation camps - i believe the number was around 27 if memory serves - today, that number has been officially reduced to just a few camps, all of which are located in Poland and all of which could not be properly examined by allied forensic scientists since they were located behind the Iron Curtain

since then, some forensic studies have been done, though the first studies that i am aware of were done illegally since the Polish historians will not allow any forensic investigations

one of the two most well-known reports was written by Fred Leuchter and the other by a very brave young man named Germer Rudolf

Polish officials were obviously embarrassed by these reports, so they conducted their own investigation and shot themselves in the foot as a result and have therefore tried to quietly bury their finding

ALL of the other alleged homicidal gas chambers in all of the remaining ~5 camps are also just as easily disproved, but the keystone of the holocaust is Auschwitz - without a policy of extermination at Auschwitz, the remainder of the alleged holocaust falls to pieces

probably very few people know this, but the alleged death toll at Auschwitz was ~4 million prior to the Zundel trial, after which the Polish historians were forced to revise their figures by agreeing on a new lie of ~1.1 million (according to the museum website, although it also contradicts itself with an even lower number)

welcome to Jewish holocaust math, where 6 million - 3 million = 6 million

even Wikipedia uses this figure in spite of the fact that no serious holocaust historian does, whether pro-exterminationist or otherwise

and, as i said, the biggest victim of this hoax is the average Jewish person who is taught that they are victims and live their lives thinking that everyone hates them because they are literally taught this in their schools

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[–] idkmybffjill 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Why did your post garner downvotes yet no reply as to why they downvoted you? I really dislike the way voting on here and reddit has been practiced the past few years. Even if I may not agree with the conclusion evidence in your post points to, it's relevant to discussion and provides an interesting alternative view, so thank you.

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[–] RedditDead2005-2015 2 points 5 points (+7|-2) ago  (edited ago)

Facts are unimportant. Do you know questioning the Holocaust "truths" (as given by Jews) is punishable by prison terms up to 5 years in 15 countries throughout Europe (you might say 14, but Romania just made it illegal too). No wonder Atko had to move his operations to the U.S. He'd be in prison right now and have Voat removed by his ISP for a second time.

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[–] bisaya 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Whichever side that gives the author a platform to stand on and shout out about how bad shit is for them AND NO ONE ELSE!!!!

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[–] Ulluses 5 points 182 points (+187|-5) ago 

The holocaust was big and used modern values, record keeping and chemical experimentation and cold logical arguments. It's more abhorrent to people because it was rational in it's poisoned world view, it reflected thoughts that were in vogue before the war.

But that doesn't make it more tragic than any other genocide, there have been countless genocides during human history. Environmental, economic, military, political, racial, religious and more have been the driving force behind mass killings on the scale or larger of the holocaust. They all deserve their entry in history as a warning for the future.

If you say that the holocaust is special then you are ridiculously wrong. Worse genocides have happened and are happening and will happen.

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[–] twomoreandatinkle 7 points 54 points (+61|-7) ago 

Ya, same thing with the Native Americans.

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[–] Dovahkiin_ 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

JOOR ZAH FRUL!

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[–] ShinyVoater 0 points 47 points (+47|-0) ago 

Easily the biggest lesson to learn from the Holocaust is "it can happen here", but it never is; instead we focus on half the victims that came from the largest group to suffer a targeted extermination campaign when the Wehrmacht killed more people on the eastern front while treating the Nazis as some unique evil that can never be repeated.

But Portman is right: the fetishistic obsession with the Holocaust is driving out almost any discussion of the modern genocides that have happened this decade and are happening even today. It's perhaps time that we as a society started moving to put it in its proper place.

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[–] HoneyNutStallmans 7 points 0 points (+7|-7) ago  (edited ago)

The good thing is that, in several European countries, it can be criminal to dispute a piece of the Holocaust:

(woops, I think people missed my sarcasm)

(France)

Under the 1990 Gayssot Act, anyone who “disputes the existence of crimes against humanity” carried out by the Nazis can be punished by one month’s to one year’s imprisonment or a hefty fine. The French state says it will now try to ban videos of Dieudonne's performances from the internet.

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[–] TheRogueScholar 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

And yet, we memorialize this one over all others, and you are shouted down by the organized parties and people with an interest in seeing that it is portrayed as an event exclusive to Jews. Not to mention school curriculums that are built around it to lodge it firmly within young minds as an exclusive event. Add to that the actual memorials in our cities and states, for an event where the victims and perpetrators of which neither were American, and you will understand the value of having such an event for many Jewish interest groups to exploit. Natalie Portman is usually a pretty hardcore Zionist supporter, so it is of some value to hear her at least say something this reasonable.

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[–] SRS-Airbag 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

record keeping

Can you show me some records of gassing?

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[–] kujda 2 points 97 points (+99|-2) ago 

I couldn't agree more with Portman. There were various genosides in our history, not only regarding the Jews. No death should be put above another death. I've heard even some Jews saying that the death of Jews in German concentration camps was extraordinary in comparison of non Jews death in the same conentration camps. The Jews were supposed to feel that they are being removed as a nation from the planet so it was more horrible for them. I've met some people who were prisoners of German concentration camps - and Jews or not, they all suffered terribly and those who had died, died a shocking, terrible death.

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[–] ThisWeirdIndividual 4 points 36 points (+40|-4) ago 

There's strong ethno centrism in some parts of the jewish "community" (if it exists at all).

Protip : Ethno centrism is often a polite word for "racism"

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[–] Bloomordoom 2 points 38 points (+40|-2) ago 

I am American Jewish raised outside the temple as a Unitarian. Went to Israel with a group of 20 something's in 2010 as part of a "birthright" trip. Something funded by rich American Jews and the Israeli govt. I have never encountered more entitled, bigoted people in my life than those who accompanied me on my "free" trip to Israel. There were a few thinkers in the bunch, but we were embarrassed over and over by the others. They just acted like children.

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[–] Echo_of_Savages 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Reminds of me Curb your Enthusiasm, "a gay jew in nazi germany? Was he double persecuted?"

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[–] HoneyNutStallmans 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Almost the same amount of non-Jews was exterminated as Jews.

I just remembered... in school, I was actually shown the demographics of the extermination as well as the systematic identifcation of those demographics.

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[–] WaitingForHitler 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

B-But.. 6 gorillion..

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[–] mr_skeltal 2 points 72 points (+74|-2) ago 

Why do the Jews care so much which is "worse"? It's not like me and my friends sit around in Ireland thinking about The Famine and how we lost 4 million, half our population at the time and just less than the current population. Nor do we fret about being occupied by the Brits for 800 years or the fact that they made it illegal to practice our customs or speak our own language, essentially killing the language. We certainly wouldn't be so arrogant as to say that our national tragedy is any more or less tragic than the tragedies of other ethnic groups and we sure as fuck wouldn't presume to occupy and oppress other ethnic groups afterwards either. You can question the Famine all you like too, I won't accuse you of a hate crime.

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[–] cli-che-guevara 3 points 44 points (+47|-3) ago 

Victim mentality isn't the basis of the Irish culture.

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[–] mr_skeltal 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

Nah, we're winners man. In relation to your username, did you know Che Guevara had an Irish grandmother, whose parents fled to Argentina during the Famine? Her name was Ana Isabela Lynch, her son was Ernesto Guevara Lynch - Ernesto "Che" Guevara's father. So yeah, Che is one of us :P

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[–] xeemee 5 points 22 points (+27|-5) ago 

you have to consider what is at stake

Israel rakes in billions in holocaust reparations and military aid - that probably would not be allowed to continue if the truth of the "holocaust" became widely known

unfortunately, they are fighting a losing battle which i think is clear when you look at recent events, such as an increase in the number of military actions against the Palestinians, the BDS movement, Jews who oppose the Zionist philosophy, an apparent re-thinking of U.S. support of Israel within the U.S. government, the holocaust fraud being exposed on a wider scale and the laws being created to suppress these truths under the guise hate speech, etc.

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[–] justcool393 4 points 7 points (+11|-4) ago 

that probably would not be allowed to continue if the truth of the "holocaust" became widely known

Are you saying the Holocaust was faked?

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[–] AreWeBeingCensored 3 points 0 points (+3|-3) ago  (edited ago)

Don't listen to teachers. Don't talk to survivors, or perpetrators. Don't go see the ash piles of Majdanek, or the empty Jewish quarters of Warsaw. Only look at holocaust denial websites. Those are the only thing that will tell you the trooth! The numbers man! We have to focus on the numbers. Can you imagine a million people being murdered? If a person realizes that whether it was one million or six million or twenty million, the heinousness of the holocaust is still apparent, then we might have to stop thinking up new ways to hate Joos! That can't happen! What would we do with our lives? We can't let people focus on how disgusting holocaust denial really is. We have to focus on the only thing we can with the most well documented genocide in history. The numbers! If we don't then we might have to confront that the Joos are just people who were murdered!

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[–] 123_456 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

The famine wasn't genocide. It was just a tragedy.

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[–] Jorcky 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

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[–] bilog78 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

The [Irish] famine wasn't genocide. It was just a tragedy.

Nope, it was an actual genocide attempt, and not even the only one to be attempted this way, see e.g. the Holodomor.

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[–] mr_skeltal 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Yeah, that's why I don't care that people here sometimes say outlandishly racist shit. It just informs me as to the content of their character, it's not like I read it and get convinced to be racist.

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[–] ninjajunkie 15 points 44 points (+59|-15) ago 

Considering she is about as Jewish as you can be, I say she gets to have whatever opinion on the subject she wants.

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[–] Fagtardicus 3 points 101 points (+104|-3) ago 

why is a jew the only one that gets to speak the obvious?

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[–] ninjajunkie 1 points 47 points (+48|-1) ago 

By no means, I was meaning that her opinion would be harder to be dismissed by Jewish organizations than say mine.

For the record I agree with her.

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[–] RedditDead2005-2015 6 points 27 points (+33|-6) ago 

Because non-Jews like us are lower than animals to Jews. Do you think farrmers ask their cows if their hands are too cold for milking?

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[–] RedHawk 2 points 1 points (+3|-2) ago 

You should try reading the Torah, it makes you understand why the Palestinians are treated badly - the whole concept of goyim is a very scary one as you are judged in the Israeli regime based on the genetics of your mother.

I highly recommend reading "The Wandering Who" by ex-Israeli and ex-Jew Gilad Atzmon, it explains this perfectly.

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[–] DoucheBagMcGee 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

In context, she's talking about Jewish education and the prominence of the Holocaust in it. If you've never had a Jewish education, how would you even know? They could just be sitting in class wearing nothing but yellow raincoats & flip flops while jerkin' off for we know.

If someone with a Jewish education wants to weigh in I would be interested in hearing what it's actually like.

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[–] RedHawk 3 points 22 points (+25|-3) ago 

Yeah us goyim cant use our brain like the Jews to analyze a historical event

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[–] RedditDead2005-2015 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

The Hollywood movies on The Holocaust are getting more absurdly creative every year. You won't be able to tell fact and fiction anymore, and if you question the their validity, you might be called an anti-Semite. If you question it in Europe, you might be sent to prison.

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[–] jeegte12 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

considering she's a person, i say she gets to have whatever opinion on the subject she wants.

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[–] ninjajunkie 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

touché

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[–] feistylemur 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Internalized anti-semite. Trust me there's an excuse for every situation in which someone might need to justify outrage.

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[–] RedditDead2005-2015 2 points 23 points (+25|-2) ago 

Jews think they are so special. Genocides are for Goyim. They call theirs the Holocaust. Racism is for Goyim. Racism against them is called anti-Semitism. Why do they have to make the distinctions? So Israel and Jews can do this: Israel Won't Recognize Armenian Genocide, Says Ambassador Meanwhile, Jews have made it illegal to show the swastika in Europe and a crime to deny The Holocaust.

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[–] xeemee 6 points 3 points (+9|-6) ago  (edited ago)

for each of the countries listed below there are laws that restrict historical revisionism and freedom of speech, or legislation which is being considered that would restrict freedom of speech, or the country has a history of persecuting holocaust revisionists. If you live in one of the following countries you should research any legislation that may be applicable before possessing, publishing, sharing, or even discussing in public any subject which is critical of the mainstream historical record, particularly the alleged Jewish holocaust of World War II:

Austria

Belgium

Bosnia

Canada (considering legislation, history of persecution)

Czech Republic

European Union

France

Germany

Hungary

Israel

Italy (considering legislation, history of persecution)

Liechtenstein

Lithuania

Luxembourg

Netherlands

Poland

Portugal

Romania

Spain

Switzerland

United States (considering legislation, history of persecution)

TRUTH DOES NOT FEAR INVESTIGATION

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[–] refugee610 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Looking at your posts in this thread I think you either need more or less drugs ... not sure which.

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[–] Icarus2 4 points 20 points (+24|-4) ago 

What about the genocide of Native American Indians?

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[–] Aetrion 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Nobody wants to give them their old holy land back and have them slowly push out the people that have moved in there in the last few hundred years.

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[–] iamrage 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

All land is holy to them if you catch my drift...

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[–] Sops 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

What about all the tribes of Europe that were killed by the various empires that have conquered the continent?

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[–] jstressman 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I actually covered that in some detail in other comments elsewhere on this same page.

I'd be curious if some of the other folks replying to this have an opinion on the actual history involved vs the way it's usually portrayed today. It looks as though we have a wide variety of views on it here.

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[–] JackBadass 3 points 0 points (+3|-3) ago 

Pfft. We brought them civilization. A "thank you" would be nice.

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[–] Scablifter 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

And who is "we?"

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[–] hyperoperation 1 points 13 points (+14|-1) ago 

It's bizarre when people get into a "my genocide is bigger than your genocide" type pissing contest. They are all unimaginably horrific, its just a matter of scale. The brutality the Chinese suffered under Japanese occupation is one that I feel like doesn't get enough attention because we are hyperfocused on Western history.

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[–] RedditDead2005-2015 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

The Japanese conducted experiments on the Chinese too just like Dr. Mengele did on a few Jews. The U.S. government just asked the Japanese for the results of their experiments in exchange for avoiding prosecution for war crimes. Just Google "Japanese Unit 731". Americans are the best, aren't they?

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[–] HoneyNutStallmans 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Americans are the best, aren't they?

They were so great that they, together with the British, committed war crimes against civilians with full immunity.

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[–] Turbo_Sloth 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Speaking as a Jew, why can't we just say it was terrible and leave it at that? I don't care if it's worse than other genocides, and that's speaking of a grandson of survivors. We don't all have this mentality. I don't want to belittle someone else's tragedy.

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[–] KinkRaven 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I think that gets more attention in china than out, just like they probably arent big fans of schiendlers list, if it's even played there.

Local tribes and all that.

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