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[–] sonst-was 0 points 150 points (+150|-0) ago 

Until colleges and universities are given an incentive to find the truth instead of to find more students guilty, the prevalence of false or unjustifiable accusations will likely only increase.

In my opinion colleges and universities should not be able to find someone guilty of some felony. Thats what the police and the DA is for. Colleges and Universities should educate and not pose as a second class executive and judicative conglomerate.

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[–] NikoMyshkin 0 points 21 points (+21|-0) ago 

came here to quote this too. totally spot on.

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[–] thepizzaelemental 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

That is indeed a problem, but not investigating will certainly lead to somebody crying out that the universities are "doing nothing" while people are being victimized. It's not going to be easy to deal with that.

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[–] sonst-was 0 points 61 points (+61|-0) ago 

Well, actually it is easy. Its not your job. Simple as that.

Universities dont go to war, dont produce railways and so on. They educate. Armys go to war and railways producers produce railways. You wont say that the Army or the railway producers are "doing nothing" to stop sexual assaults among students.

When a student has been sexually assaulted or attacked in any other way, the student has to go to the police. Because its the polices job to look into it and maybe arrest someone. When the suspect has been found guilty the College/University can exmatriculate that person (he won't attend any classes anyway). Thats it. It is the judicatives job to find someone guilty and the judicative is the only one who can find someone guilty. No one else should be able to do this.

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[–] Typo 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I never understood why schools took things so far. I can understand a suspension (one that includes them being able to complete school work and mail it in so they aren't screwed) but that should go for both students so the matter can be sorted without causing a scene. It protects the school from being sued and is reasonable. It should be a short suspension until the cops finish the investigation. The cops need for the case to be a priority so the situation is resolved and people can move on.

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[–] Grundy 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

In my opinion colleges and universities should not be able to find someone guilty of some felony.

They can't, really.

What happens is that they find the student to be in violation of their rules/code of conduct/whatever and subject them to disciplinary action, sometimes including expulsion. They can do this based on just about any standard of evidence that they wish since it's their own rules, but their disciplinary actions have no meaning or force outside of the school.

It's similar to being fired because your boss thinks you were stealing. Just because your boss fired you for it, doesn't mean you're actually guilty or have even been charged with anything. Your boss might pursue such charges if there were sufficient evidence, but just because there wasn't doesn't mean that your boss can't still fire you if they're convinced you did it.

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[–] sonst-was 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Yes, I know that disciplinary action doesn have the meaning of a court sentence.

They can do this based on just about any standard of evidence that they wish since it's their own rules, but their disciplinary actions have no meaning or force outside of the school.

But I think the part where those disciplinary action having no effect outside the school is not completly right. I dont know how it really is on US Colleges and Universities, but when I see the media coverage those disciplinary actions get, it feels more like a witch-hunt than anything else. Being subject of a witch-hunt probably has a huge effect on your daily life outside school.