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[–] Lumidaub 2 points 12 points (+14|-2) ago  (edited ago)

If that's what a refugee is, then that's stupid. As I said, we're rich, we're a peaceful country, nobody has to starve here, we are able to help these people, we can protect them, so why the fuck shouldn't we? It's just a no brainer to me. As a global community we can't put that burden (and yes, I'm aware it's a burden) on just the neighbouring countries, wtf kind of rule is that anyway...

I'm not saying we need to take more migrants, I'm saying every wealthy country has an obligation to take as many people who are in danger in their own country as it can. Yes, it's a burden, but I think we can take it. Might be the filthy socialist in me talking who believes in the solidarity system we have going in Germany where the well-off support the not-so-well-off (in principle...).

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[–] OldBoris 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago  (edited ago)

"we are able to help these people, we can protect them, so why the fuck shouldn't we?"

Because you are bringing your own country down by doing so (according to statistics for Britain and the Netherlands, non-western migrants are a major burden on the welfare state), while on a global scale what you're doing is a drop of water in the ocean. I can very much recommend this video, which is as much true for Europe as it is true for America. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE

"I'm saying every wealthy country has an obligation to take as many people who are in danger in their own country as it can."

And what is your long-term perspective here? Say that you take in one hundred thousand Syrians, Somalis and Eritreans this year. As we know, most of them are grown men or adolescent boys. They settle in German towns, but for some reason don't really mingle with Germans except with teenaged German girls that they try to bed. Then, next year, a hundred thousand more show up. They do the same thing as the first batch. Eventually, entire exclaves of Somalia, Eritrea and Syria arise within Germany. I'm thinking one, two, maybe three decades down the line. All the while, the economy in Germany continues to decline. What's your idea of your country's future?

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[–] WhoFramedReaderRabit 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

forgot about that video, it's really good really put into perspective the number of people in poverty.

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[–] rigzilla 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

If your girl gets stolen by some dirty immigrants who don't have a job, either she's a whore or you should try to improve yourself...

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[–] sonst-was 4 points -2 points (+2|-4) ago 

They settle in German towns, but for some reason don't really mingle with Germans except with teenaged German girls that they try to bed.

I think this is your first mistake. The most refugees come to Germany or the EU to survive, not to bed german teens. There is a difference between those refugees who seek asylum because their home country is simply poor and those who seek asylum because their home country is war zone. Where as war refugees have a legitimate reason to seek asylum, economic refugees do not. Because of that most refugees for example from Albania are denied asylum (actually 99% are denied).

All the while, the economy in Germany continues to decline.

May it be moraly and ethicaly right or not, many of the refugees are well educated and probably were among the richer in their country (otherwise they couldn't afford the travel). As someone else mentioned before Germany has only a small demographic growth. So, if Germany want to sustain a working economy, we have to rely on immigrants and take advantage of their knowledge.

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[–] Alybad 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Why should a strong country be obligated to accept immigrants? I believe its the opposite.

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[–] Lumidaub 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I guess that's just the way I was brought up. Don't have a better explanation, it's just the way I feel. Maybe because I feel like as social animals we've evolved beyond the point of "only the fittest/strongest survive". Why should a society, why should anybody, be obligated to help anybody?

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[–] Lumidaub 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I guess that's just the way I was brought up. Don't have a better explanation, it's just the way I feel. Maybe because I feel like as social animals we've evolved beyond the point of "only the fittest/strongest survive". Why should a society, why should anybody, be obligated to help anybody?

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[–] Thinchick 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

Come back in a few years and we will talk. You know, once your future children are in school with these * refugee's* children. Oh, and once crime over takes your once peaceful and prosperous Germany. Then we will talk.

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[–] Lumidaub 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

I was in school with lots of kids "with migratory background", some of which spoke only little German. Didn't affect me negatively at all.

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[–] Lumidaub 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I don't know. Yes, choices have to be made. I don't know how those choices should be made. I have no answers to any of your questions. And I never said dealing with this would be easy, just that imho we're obligated to deal with it.