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[–] Fuck_SRS 6 points 46 points (+52|-6) ago 

That's cause black lives only matter when white people kill them.

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[–] dragonpenis 3 points 37 points (+40|-3) ago 

Kinda like how when mentioning slavery the whole part where Africans were sold to the whites by their African neighbors who conquered them in a tribal war is just sorta glossed over.

As an Asian dude who's got no dog in this fight, I don't see how slavery in the Americas is different from roman empire, mongol empire, and various Arabian states who used even more brutal method to subjugate other races, but yet they are lost in time and now romanticized as the glory days. Everyone who suffered in their system is not represented and their descendants are not cared for.

Somehow the liberal historians seem to have turned the whole suffrage and the civil rights movement into some kind of triumph for the progressive movement, like as if people marching walking on the streets have miraculously made everything change, but for any system to change sans revolution, it requires people at the top to give concessions.

And the history of the U.S. is the history of powerful white old men going "hmm, I find that reasonable, I'll listen to your demands and make necessary accommodations." which is unprecedented in the history of men. No group or faction in history willingly gave part of their own power away to change the social structure just because people asked. Even today in places like India (And Asia in general) caste system exist and it refuses to go away just because it has always existed no matter how hard they attempt it to stop. For the U.S. have gone from flogging blacks to having one as a president is an incredible achievement on its own and it's a testament to tolerance of the society.

Which brings me to the point, I find that people in the U.S, when they cry for injustice, more often than not they seem to be doing that to extract most benefits out of their opponents because they know their opponent is reasonable and mild who will ultimately give concessions. I'm currently in an unique position in Asia where I interact with both poor and well-off people and if there's something I learned is that just because they're poor doesn't mean they're naturally good or kind, and vice versa for the rich. The poor, more often than not are rude, uncultured, spit on the street/smoke while walking type you wouldn't want around your kids. It's likely what got them into the social position in the first place. So when I see black mothers crying on TV for their suicide-by-cop kids, I am not easily fooled knowing what I know about the poor. But white liberals who's never lived near poor neighborhood don't know better and they are horrified of the perceived injustice which leads to further unnecessary concessions.

Of course the slavery was bad, of course people are equal, and equal chance to work/vote must be given to women and minorities. Sure. But the concession must end somewhere before that fine point where it becomes a privilege. Once people are on an equal footing, it's now time to work your ass off to actually earn a living. It doesn't matter if your grandfather was a slave. Everyone's ancestors were a slave at one point or another. If your country made that much concession just to accommodate you from losing your tribal conflict in Africa that sold you wholesale, maybe it's time to pull your pants up and wear a tie to work. Maybe it's time to stop glorifying violence and cheap entertainment. Maybe it's time to read free books at libraries, use internet to find jobs, and work up the social ladder even if slowly, instead of complaining that some white dude looked at you funny. I know most Asians who immigrated to America did just that. We don't fuck around.

I dunno man, I got no dog in this fight but looking at the whole conflict from afar through my lens, it all seem rather redundant to me.

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[–] DataEntity 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

^ Underrated post.

The most relevant portion;

And the history of the U.S. is the history of powerful white old men going "hmm, I find that reasonable, I'll listen to your demands and make necessary accommodations." which is unprecedented in the history of men. Keyword; reasonable Progress through arguments and activism only worked because, back in the day democracy was founded on enlightenment rationality.

But that progressive machine has been broken, via the unsaid and unconscious alliance between Religious Right-Wing Authoritarians and Politically Correct Left-Wing Authoritarians, both of whom prefer their special narratives over reality and want to curtail Free Speech to protect their emotional states.

Both groups desire to regulate the marketplace of ideas, in order to protect their own ideas. Seeing as their ideas are going out of fashion and fast.

"Now, how does this reflect on the current topic at hand?", you ask.

It comes in at how the current hysterics around this topic ignores the higher rate of unarmed Hispanic citizens killed by police when compared to the percentage of US population and the conversely lower rate among Asian citizens.

The better question then is, why is that? If you take white Americans as "normal" - you perhaps shouldn't - why is it that Hispanics and Black people have it worse and why do Asians have it comparably better, when it comes to police killings?

But the best and most critically important question is; Why are the police allowed to shoot unarmed civilians in the first place? It seems to me, that Americans are perfectly happy with the idea that the police sometimes shoot unarmed civilians, so long as they do it in appropriate ratios. And from my European perspective, that's kinda sick.

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[–] eggnogg 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Kinda like how when mentioning slavery the whole part where Africans were sold to the whites by their African neighbors who conquered them in a tribal war is just sorta glossed over.

And that somehow makes slavery better? Slavery is one of the most morally reprehensible things that we do, the fact that black people were involved at both ends of the trade doesn't change that one bit.

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[–] HorseSizedDuck 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

But white liberals who's never lived near poor neighborhood don't know better and they are horrified of the perceived injustice which leads to further unnecessary concessions.

Part of this is that, especially in America, we love the underdog narrative. It's embedded in our culture, hence the "American Dream". The problem is that over the years, we've glorified it so much that even people who don't believe that every rich person is Ebenezer Scrooge is still desperate to believe that all poor people are the Cratchets.

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[–] antiplebbitor 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Upgoating this to the moon...

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[–] Balrogic 2 points 13 points (+15|-2) ago  (edited ago)

No, that's because the media is populated by a bunch of racist fuckers that only want to run a story when they can attempt to incite race riots. The media has a lot in common with that psychopath that shot up a black church. Same objectives, same morality.

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[–] Fambida 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Lets be a bit more cynical (aka realistic) here. It's not enough to just get eyeballs viewing your news and therefore your ads. You need to ALSO make your news generate MORE news with which to feed the eyeball beast. Riling people up makes them get pissed and do dumb shit which gives more news to report in order to rile more people up to do dumb shit on which to report...

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[–] Pm-me-your-boobs 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Maybe we should burn down our city and riot and loot, then people would care about our cause too